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Julia https://julialang.org/ https://julialang.org/

by baddate 2y ago

akkad33 2y ago
I don't know if Julia is a system programming language
- brabel 2y ago
  It's quite funny to classify it as such, given you need to run your programs like a script as it's nearly impossible to compile a binary you can distribute (though I am aware they're working on this as a priority task, currently).
  - leephillips 2y ago
    Compilation to small binaries has made great progress: https://lwn.net/Articles/1006117/ https://lwn.net/Articles/1006117/ It’s not always clear what is meant by “system programming”. I’ve begun writing utility scripts in Julia; it’s practical now because the startup time is vastly improved. These can be run like bash scripts, with a shebang line that invokes Julia with the desired environment (using the --project flag).
    - brabel 2y ago
      > It’s not always clear what is meant by “system programming”. I’ve begun writing utility scripts in Julia; it’s practical now because the startup time is vastly improved. These can be run like bash scripts, with a shebang line that invokes Julia with the desired environment (using the --project flag). I think it is clear enough. The language must have a small or non-existing runtime so it is practical to write systems that do not ship the same fat runtime on every binary. The language must support compiling to binaries, otherwise it really cannot be used by itself for systems. It must provide access to the available Operating System API directly without the need for bindings (to the extent possible, as some OSs only expose the C API;ABI). What is a system, you may ask. I think you can define that as anything that can run by itself (no runtime) and perform any "low level" operation permitted by the OS.
      - xgdgsc 2y ago
        That' s already possible for julia witha proproetary solution: https://discourse.julialang.org/t/syslabcc-suzhou-tongyuans-proprietary-julia-aot-compiler-is-now-available-for-free-use-personal-educational-license-only/114633 https://discourse.julialang.org/t/syslabcc-suzhou-tongyuans-.... https://github.com/Suzhou-Tongyuan/syslab-deploy https://github.com/Suzhou-Tongyuan/syslab-deploy
- adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
  It's certainly not a traditional one, but it is increasingly used as one https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.01128 https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.01128.

Julia https://julialang.org/ https://julialang.org/

akkad33 2y ago

I don't know if Julia is a system programming language

brabel 2y ago
It's quite funny to classify it as such, given you need to run your programs like a script as it's nearly impossible to compile a binary you can distribute (though I am aware they're working on this as a priority task, currently).
- leephillips 2y ago
  Compilation to small binaries has made great progress: https://lwn.net/Articles/1006117/ https://lwn.net/Articles/1006117/ It’s not always clear what is meant by “system programming”. I’ve begun writing utility scripts in Julia; it’s practical now because the startup time is vastly improved. These can be run like bash scripts, with a shebang line that invokes Julia with the desired environment (using the --project flag).
  - brabel 2y ago
    > It’s not always clear what is meant by “system programming”. I’ve begun writing utility scripts in Julia; it’s practical now because the startup time is vastly improved. These can be run like bash scripts, with a shebang line that invokes Julia with the desired environment (using the --project flag). I think it is clear enough. The language must have a small or non-existing runtime so it is practical to write systems that do not ship the same fat runtime on every binary. The language must support compiling to binaries, otherwise it really cannot be used by itself for systems. It must provide access to the available Operating System API directly without the need for bindings (to the extent possible, as some OSs only expose the C API;ABI). What is a system, you may ask. I think you can define that as anything that can run by itself (no runtime) and perform any "low level" operation permitted by the OS.
    - xgdgsc 2y ago
      That' s already possible for julia witha proproetary solution: https://discourse.julialang.org/t/syslabcc-suzhou-tongyuans-proprietary-julia-aot-compiler-is-now-available-for-free-use-personal-educational-license-only/114633 https://discourse.julialang.org/t/syslabcc-suzhou-tongyuans-.... https://github.com/Suzhou-Tongyuan/syslab-deploy https://github.com/Suzhou-Tongyuan/syslab-deploy
adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
It's certainly not a traditional one, but it is increasingly used as one https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.01128 https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.01128.