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I would suggest that giving up control of your entire computer to get a few more pixels on some crappy (paid!) streaming service is the Pyrrhic victory. If ever

by dTal 2y ago

I would suggest that giving up control of your entire computer to get a few more pixels on some crappy (paid!) streaming service is the Pyrrhic victory. If everyone refused this Faustian bargain, then the services would be forced to adapt. In the meantime, your jar gets another penny every time you watch a movie. When it's full, find yourself a torrent client and spend the jar on whatever you want - they're free :)

gruez 2y ago
>I would suggest that giving up control of your entire computer to get a few more pixels on some crappy (paid!) streaming service is the Pyrrhic victory. This is going to inevitably turn into a mac/windows vs linux flamewar, so I'm going to acknowledge this but refuse to continue the discussion. >If everyone refused this Faustian bargain, then the services would be forced to adapt. Like getting people to use dedicated set-top boxes, like with cable TV? Amazon's fire stick is basically that. Moreover I think you're overestimating how much people care about "freedom to tinker" or whatever. They just want their shit to work. >When the jar fills up, find yourself a torrent client and spend the jar on whatever you want - it's free :) It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr.
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- rblatz 2y ago
  Also I doubt the jar ever fills up, not many people in this thread seemed to be aware of this limitation until reading this post.
- realusername 2y ago
  > It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr. Checking the OS version, browser version, HDMI cable reference and screen reference to pray that the DRM works isn't really easy nor instantaneous either. I'd say it's even more annoying than torrenting
  - bjelkeman-again 2y ago
    Most of the time these days I can’t actually find a search engine to give me links, so they have mostly won.
  - Mindwipe 2y ago
    If you're accessing via a personal computer at all you're already in a fairly small percentage of users. The smart TV and set top box ecosystem work fine, and that's where the users are.
    - realusername 2y ago
      I was actually generous by picking a computer, with the amount of cheap and non updatable smart TVs, I doubt that more than 20% work with the strongest DRM. And then if that's the case, it's either piracy or buying a new TV if you want the best quality.
      - gruez 2y ago
        >I was actually generous by picking a computer, with the amount of cheap and non updatable smart TVs, I doubt that more than 20% work with the strongest DRM. DRM doesn't care that you're on the latest patch level with all CVEs patched, only that your system is vaguely "secure" (ie. has a TEE, even if it's full of holes). The netflix app works on phones with Android 5 from over a decade ago, so similarly old smart TVs are probably fine as well. Failing that, they can buy an up-to-date roku/fire stick for $25.
      - Mindwipe 2y ago
        Pretty much any brand name smart TV supports the "strongest" DRM and has full UHD Netflix et al support, and has done since about 2016/2017.
- squigz 2y ago
  > They just want their shit to work. Which might include streaming at appropriate qualities and being able to take a simple bloody screenshot of what you paid to watch. I think you underestimate people.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  > It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr. With FOSS I don't have to spend time trying to figure out how to remove the latest unwanted crap from my start menu or taskbar. I don't have to spend time figuring out how to remove the telemetry crap. I don't have to set my default browser back to Firefox after every major update. I don't have to click through popups about new features they want to promote or telling me how I can waste even more money by subscribing to their cloud services. I don't have to lose work because it decided I didn't update often enough and just forces a reboot without my approval. No, I can just work on it and it will just do what I want, not what Microsoft wants. That saves me a lot of time.
  - brettermeier 2y ago
    >how to remove the latest unwanted crap from my start menu or taskbar => 5 min. >I don't have to spend time figuring out how to remove the telemetry crap. => Use Rufus writing Win Iso., choose no telemetry option, 0,5 min. >I don't have to set my default browser back to Firefox after every major update => Just not true, 0 min. >I don't have to click through popups about new features they want to promote or telling me how I can waste even more money by subscribing to their cloud services. => Use Windows Pro Version, no Popups, 0 min. In total: 5,5 min. Learn using Linux: > 3yrs.
    - skotobaza 2y ago
      > Learn using Linux: > 3yrs. That's quite dishonest in the context of general usage scenario.
    - codedokode 2y ago
      > Use Rufus writing Win Iso., choose no telemetry option, So you pay for the product and then need to download some unofficial shady East European software to remove unwanted features? Ridiculous. Also I did some experimenting with firewalling telemetry and I doubt thatshady software blocks all of it. I don't believe it.
      - wkat4242 2y ago

by dTal 2y ago

gruez 2y ago

>I would suggest that giving up control of your entire computer to get a few more pixels on some crappy (paid!) streaming service is the Pyrrhic victory. This is going to inevitably turn into a mac/windows vs linux flamewar, so I'm going to acknowledge this but refuse to continue the discussion. >If everyone refused this Faustian bargain, then the services would be forced to adapt. Like getting people to use dedicated set-top boxes, like with cable TV? Amazon's fire stick is basically that. Moreover I think you're overestimating how much people care about "freedom to tinker" or whatever. They just want their shit to work. >When the jar fills up, find yourself a torrent client and spend the jar on whatever you want - it's free :) It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr.

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rblatz 2y ago
Also I doubt the jar ever fills up, not many people in this thread seemed to be aware of this limitation until reading this post.
realusername 2y ago
> It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr. Checking the OS version, browser version, HDMI cable reference and screen reference to pray that the DRM works isn't really easy nor instantaneous either. I'd say it's even more annoying than torrenting
- bjelkeman-again 2y ago
  Most of the time these days I can’t actually find a search engine to give me links, so they have mostly won.
- Mindwipe 2y ago
  If you're accessing via a personal computer at all you're already in a fairly small percentage of users. The smart TV and set top box ecosystem work fine, and that's where the users are.
  - realusername 2y ago
    I was actually generous by picking a computer, with the amount of cheap and non updatable smart TVs, I doubt that more than 20% work with the strongest DRM. And then if that's the case, it's either piracy or buying a new TV if you want the best quality.
    - gruez 2y ago
      >I was actually generous by picking a computer, with the amount of cheap and non updatable smart TVs, I doubt that more than 20% work with the strongest DRM. DRM doesn't care that you're on the latest patch level with all CVEs patched, only that your system is vaguely "secure" (ie. has a TEE, even if it's full of holes). The netflix app works on phones with Android 5 from over a decade ago, so similarly old smart TVs are probably fine as well. Failing that, they can buy an up-to-date roku/fire stick for $25.
    - Mindwipe 2y ago
      Pretty much any brand name smart TV supports the "strongest" DRM and has full UHD Netflix et al support, and has done since about 2016/2017.
squigz 2y ago
> They just want their shit to work. Which might include streaming at appropriate qualities and being able to take a simple bloody screenshot of what you paid to watch. I think you underestimate people.
wkat4242 2y ago
> It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr. With FOSS I don't have to spend time trying to figure out how to remove the latest unwanted crap from my start menu or taskbar. I don't have to spend time figuring out how to remove the telemetry crap. I don't have to set my default browser back to Firefox after every major update. I don't have to click through popups about new features they want to promote or telling me how I can waste even more money by subscribing to their cloud services. I don't have to lose work because it decided I didn't update often enough and just forces a reboot without my approval. No, I can just work on it and it will just do what I want, not what Microsoft wants. That saves me a lot of time.
- brettermeier 2y ago
  >how to remove the latest unwanted crap from my start menu or taskbar => 5 min. >I don't have to spend time figuring out how to remove the telemetry crap. => Use Rufus writing Win Iso., choose no telemetry option, 0,5 min. >I don't have to set my default browser back to Firefox after every major update => Just not true, 0 min. >I don't have to click through popups about new features they want to promote or telling me how I can waste even more money by subscribing to their cloud services. => Use Windows Pro Version, no Popups, 0 min. In total: 5,5 min. Learn using Linux: > 3yrs.
  - skotobaza 2y ago
    > Learn using Linux: > 3yrs. That's quite dishonest in the context of general usage scenario.
  - codedokode 2y ago
    > Use Rufus writing Win Iso., choose no telemetry option, So you pay for the product and then need to download some unofficial shady East European software to remove unwanted features? Ridiculous. Also I did some experimenting with firewalling telemetry and I doubt thatshady software blocks all of it. I don't believe it.
    - wkat4242 2y ago