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The destructive behavior is overeating and this treatment eliminates the overeating. The problem is human beings are imperfect creatures. This drugs corrects th

The destructive behavior is overeating and this treatment eliminates the overeating. The problem is human beings are imperfect creatures. This drugs corrects the hormone imbalance that leads to overeating. It is fixing the actual problem. The idea that medical treatment makes us weaker is genuinely harmful nonsense on the order of claiming vaccines make us sick, and you should seriously reconsider your position here.

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bobbylarrybobby 2y ago
Where did these hormone imbalances come from, when and why did they arise, why aren't they uniformly distributed across the globe? Answering these questions may lead to a root cause of obesity and obviate the need for medication altogether.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Do you believe overeating to not be the equivalent of depression, schizophrenia, addiction, or bipolar disorder requiring medical intervention? If so, why? This is brain chemistry.
  - atomicnumber3 2y ago
    Suppose a country had very low rates of depression, and another had very high rates. Is that just brain chemistry? Or does maybe one country have problems that cause many people to have depression? Or to push subclinical tendencies into clinical territory? The US is that but for obesity. Yes, absolutely some individuals have brain chemistry that predisposes them to this. But also maybe it's related to the cheapest and easiest forms of food being McDonald's-tier shit and 64oz beverages that are literally so much sugar that it would be unpalatable were it not dissolved in acid and carbonated?
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/ https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/ https://www.who.int/activities/controlling-the-global-obesity-epidemic https://www.who.int/activities/controlling-the-global-obesit... The US isn’t even the top 9. Obesity is a global epidemic of Western disease. The food isn’t the cause, it’s the symptom of the brain chemistry. If it isn’t available, yes, the disease may not present. But if available, due to hormones causing the drive, it presents. Like cigarettes (nicotine), like cocaine, like alcoholism. Same reward center. https://recursiveadaptation.com/p/the-growing-scientific-case-for-using https://recursiveadaptation.com/p/the-growing-scientific-cas... Are we more likely to give GLP-1s to everyone? Or outlaw calorie dense, nutrition lacking products? I argue the former, based on all available evidence.
      - Snoozle 2y ago
        Nobody was suggesting solutions, but in regards to GLP-1 agonists as solving the 'problem' perfectly, no, it's just solving the symptoms. The problem is scientific advancement creating hyper palatable food and drink with no nutritional value and low satiety, combined with the food drive increases that comes with eating and drinking that food, combined with the removal of general fitness and mobility as a core requirement to being able to receive food and drink. I'm not saying there's a way to put back in the box but let's not kid ourselves that these drugs are a perfect solution either.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        I think GLP-1s are a great hack until gene therapy can be used to fix the underlying genetic issue that leads to the brain chemistry expression requiring the temporary GLP-1 patch. It can be manufactured inexpensively, scales up, and will be as common as insulin or Metformin.
      - akutlay 2y ago
        All the countries above US have less than 1M population and generally poor countries. Saying that obesity is not related to the underlying social problems in the US showing this data is ridiculous.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    "Overeating" is reductive. It's not like people are eating too many plates of vegetables. Hypercaloric overprocessed food contributes heavily to obesity outcomes. Sure, people eating smaller amounts (of hypercaloric overprocessed food) is a win. But we should aim higher.
LostMyLogin 2y ago
> The idea that medical treatment makes us weaker Do you have any concern that it's an over correction and leads to significant undereating? Which is also terrible for you. Genuine question for the record.
farts_mckensy 2y ago
They're not saying medical treatment makes us weaker. Can you refute what they're saying without strawmanning them?

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bobbylarrybobby 2y ago

Where did these hormone imbalances come from, when and why did they arise, why aren't they uniformly distributed across the globe? Answering these questions may lead to a root cause of obesity and obviate the need for medication altogether.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
Do you believe overeating to not be the equivalent of depression, schizophrenia, addiction, or bipolar disorder requiring medical intervention? If so, why? This is brain chemistry.
- atomicnumber3 2y ago
  Suppose a country had very low rates of depression, and another had very high rates. Is that just brain chemistry? Or does maybe one country have problems that cause many people to have depression? Or to push subclinical tendencies into clinical territory? The US is that but for obesity. Yes, absolutely some individuals have brain chemistry that predisposes them to this. But also maybe it's related to the cheapest and easiest forms of food being McDonald's-tier shit and 64oz beverages that are literally so much sugar that it would be unpalatable were it not dissolved in acid and carbonated?
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/ https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/ https://www.who.int/activities/controlling-the-global-obesity-epidemic https://www.who.int/activities/controlling-the-global-obesit... The US isn’t even the top 9. Obesity is a global epidemic of Western disease. The food isn’t the cause, it’s the symptom of the brain chemistry. If it isn’t available, yes, the disease may not present. But if available, due to hormones causing the drive, it presents. Like cigarettes (nicotine), like cocaine, like alcoholism. Same reward center. https://recursiveadaptation.com/p/the-growing-scientific-case-for-using https://recursiveadaptation.com/p/the-growing-scientific-cas... Are we more likely to give GLP-1s to everyone? Or outlaw calorie dense, nutrition lacking products? I argue the former, based on all available evidence.
    - Snoozle 2y ago
      Nobody was suggesting solutions, but in regards to GLP-1 agonists as solving the 'problem' perfectly, no, it's just solving the symptoms. The problem is scientific advancement creating hyper palatable food and drink with no nutritional value and low satiety, combined with the food drive increases that comes with eating and drinking that food, combined with the removal of general fitness and mobility as a core requirement to being able to receive food and drink. I'm not saying there's a way to put back in the box but let's not kid ourselves that these drugs are a perfect solution either.
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        I think GLP-1s are a great hack until gene therapy can be used to fix the underlying genetic issue that leads to the brain chemistry expression requiring the temporary GLP-1 patch. It can be manufactured inexpensively, scales up, and will be as common as insulin or Metformin.
    - akutlay 2y ago
      All the countries above US have less than 1M population and generally poor countries. Saying that obesity is not related to the underlying social problems in the US showing this data is ridiculous.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  "Overeating" is reductive. It's not like people are eating too many plates of vegetables. Hypercaloric overprocessed food contributes heavily to obesity outcomes. Sure, people eating smaller amounts (of hypercaloric overprocessed food) is a win. But we should aim higher.

LostMyLogin 2y ago

> The idea that medical treatment makes us weaker Do you have any concern that it's an over correction and leads to significant undereating? Which is also terrible for you. Genuine question for the record.

farts_mckensy 2y ago

They're not saying medical treatment makes us weaker. Can you refute what they're saying without strawmanning them?