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As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this sit
by scrollaway 2y ago
As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe.
By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.
- rozenmd 2y agoMy hiring manager mates are seeing this in Australia too. Sydney's beaches and weather helps a bit too.
- AnotherGoodName 2y agoOTOH we’re educating engineers and then not letting them stay. Like chinas worried about having talent poached (or controlled in some way) and here’s Australia providing world class education and demanding they go back afterwards. https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/am/deepseek-engineer-studied-in-australia-/104908168 https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/am/deepseek-engineer-...
- tw1984 2y ago[flagged]
- katmannthree 2y agoWhat’s your take on near-term stability for American immigrants in Europe? I was looking at options for moving last year but the work visa situation seemed fairly precarious (although that’s a relative thing in comparison with what may end up happening here in the US).
- scrollaway 2y agoPersonally I’m pushing my (Belgian) government hard to provide a streamlined path for American immigrants, especially tech workers. In general, it’s easy, just highly bureaucratic. If you compare to what most other countries have to go through, getting a work visa as a skilled us citizen is quick.
- katmannthree 2y agoAs one of the many Americans who wants to contribute to a society whose values match their own, thank you. Is there somewhere to follow your efforts in that front?
- scrollaway 2y agoA lot of it is small-scale lobbying, so not much to follow :) If you want to support some of the efforts I'm pushing hard for, check out EU Inc: https://www.eu-inc.org/ https://www.eu-inc.org/ Many entrepreneurs here know what the advantages are in the US compared to EU when it comes to startups etc and understand what needs to change. There's real willingness to get it done and the trump election has been fast-forwarding through so many of the steps, giving the EU the kick it needed to wake up. All the momentum is there, now. I'm feeling super optimistic about Europe. But the recession will be hard to weather.
- selimthegrim 2y agoI would have loved to come work for imec but the only immediate internship budget they had was a studentship with accompanying stipend and visa. They told me it would have taken too long to sort out the employee route.
- nxm 2y agoNot many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes
- realusername 2y agoThere's bigger problems in the US for a researcher than just the salary in the US nowadays. That salary comparison was valid pre-Trump.
- hansvm 2y ago> salary comparison was valid pre-Trump Is it not valid now?
- realusername 2y agoNot anymore no, the research environment is even more important than the salary itself.
- jltsiren 2y agoSalaries must be weighted by risk. Right now, there is a high risk that researchers funded by grants or working in government labs will lose their jobs and faculty will lose their grants and labs. Industry researchers are in a more stable situation, even though layoffs may be more common than on the average. And if we focus specifically on the academia, American salaries have never been that high. Sure the numbers in the paycheck are bigger than in most countries, but the cost of living is also high. Particularly because good universities are often in very expensive areas, such as California, New York, or Boston. I've worked at a foreign university where grad students on dual income could buy a starter home. Now I'm at an American university, where you need to be tenured faculty on dual income to afford a similar home.
- realusername 2y agoOn top of those issues there's also a wave of anti-intellectualism and xenophobia from the Trump government. When the US model used to be to attract top worldwide researchers, that's pretty much the targeted demographics.
- sepositus 2y agoFunny, I’m literally seeing the opposite. Had two people move from the EU last year due to free speech concerns.
- gildas 2y agoOne doesn't preclude the other, but I have serious doubts about free speech concerns. There are moderate and extreme movements in Europe. They all express themselves freely within the law.
- jakeogh 2y agoblink... They outlawed silent prayer.
- refurb 2y agoAs a scientist I'm not going to handicap my career by going to Australia or EU when the US is doing science light years ahead of those countries. I've worked in Australia, Europe and Canada, and the ecosystem of scientists, funding and support for develop of science into products is far much further ahead in the US it's not even funny.