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by russli1993 2y ago

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kneegerman 2y ago
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captainwot 2y ago
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- dang 2y ago
  Please let's not make such assumptions about other users, and certainly not as ammunition in an argument.
cscurmudgeon 2y ago
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- hungryhobo 2y ago
  I mean every country has their epstein. western media likes to pick the chinese ones cause they make a good china bad story. Hundreds of chinese like myself travel from and to china each year, I'm surprised it's hard for you to imagine regular chinese people can enjoy life in china.
  - nevertoolate 2y ago
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    - hungryhobo 2y ago
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/1068495/china-number-of-outbound-tourist-number/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1068495/china-number-of-...
      - nevertoolate 2y ago
        I don't even get why I'm downvoted or why you linked this. The number is in the millions obviously so what is the point?
- dang 2y ago
  You've been using HN primarily (even exclusively) for nationalistic battle. You've also been breaking the site guidelines in all sorts of other ways. Since we've asked you repeatedly not to do this and you've ignored those requests, I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Gathering6678 2y ago
Maybe visit your nearest US consulate to see how many are trying to get into the States, despite all the ** things in recent years.
- dluan 2y ago
  You will be surprised to learn then that it's fallen dramatically. Like in just the last 5 years the perception is completely different, especially among young people.
  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    The green card queues for employment based green cards for China born applicants tell another story https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-card-waiting-time-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-car...
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  There are 1.4B Chinese. Like obviously some will want to move away. The question is, per capita, what is the rate of locals fleeing away from each country.
  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    Even per capita more Chinese are leaving the country for US than the other way round.
    - hollerith 2y ago
      Sure, but this is a statistic Beijing is not even trying to improve: at least during the last 10 years, Beijing sees Westerners as a threat and rarely offers them citizenship or permanent residency.
    - onemoresoop 2y ago
      Compare past to present and you’ll see a large drop.
suraci 2y ago
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- YZF 2y ago
  Meng Wanzhou was roaming in beautiful Vancouver BC while awaiting judgment on the extradition request. Meanwhile China was keeping random Canadian citizens it arrested in retaliation in some dungeon. Either way the US did not kidnap her. Since her case never went to trial we don't know if she is guilty or not. Anyways, this is what a rule of law looks like. It's possible the original request was politically motivated but there's still a independent judicial system at work. In China there's none of that. Sometimes the rule of law gets things wrong but that's still way ahead than the arbitrary "justice" of totalitarian countries.
  - suraci 2y ago
    > we don't know if she is guilty or not > random Canadian citizens(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_and_Michael_Kovrig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_an...) > Anyways, this is what a rule of law looks like I like the tongue geeze i don't know how to express it that how much i like this
    - YZF 2y ago
      I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Yes. Everyone knows I'm referring to the two Michaels. The party that is rogue in this whole story is China. Even if the conduct of the US authorities here is/was suspect the retaliatory arrests is how the Mafia operates. I am not a fan of the way the US and Canada behaved here but at the end of the day for the most part Meng Wanzhou was not locked up, she had a luxury wait while the slow wheels of justice grind. It's almost certain there was some funny business from the Huawei side here as well since naturally they wouldn't care less about violating US sanctions. The law and the rule of law in free and democratic countries can be abused. But it's still way ahead of the other option.
      - suraci 2y ago
somelamer567 2y ago
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- Fricken 2y ago
  Here, read it on Wikipedia: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative
- dang 2y ago
  Attacking another user like this, no matter how badly they broke the site guidelines themselves, is absolutely not ok on Hacker News. Please don't do it again, and please stop posting flamewar comments to HN generally. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 2y ago
Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? Swipes like "Lol, keep dreaming man" are against the site guidelines, and getting into nationalistic spats is not what HN is for. When you post like this, you're just inviting even worse from others (unintentionally of course). That's how we end up with degraded responses like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43226552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43226552. Worse, you've been repeatedly posting nationalistic flamewar comments in recent weeks. This is bad. I understand the frustrations, but this is no way to make your case. There's an extra burden on commenters who are representing a minority view, especially when the topic is divisive. That's arguably unfair, but it doesn't make it ok to break the rules, and it's not in your interest to do that. I've written a lot about this over the years (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20minority%20view&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...), including this just yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858.

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kneegerman 2y ago

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captainwot 2y ago

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dang 2y ago
Please let's not make such assumptions about other users, and certainly not as ammunition in an argument.

cscurmudgeon 2y ago

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hungryhobo 2y ago
I mean every country has their epstein. western media likes to pick the chinese ones cause they make a good china bad story. Hundreds of chinese like myself travel from and to china each year, I'm surprised it's hard for you to imagine regular chinese people can enjoy life in china.
- nevertoolate 2y ago
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  - hungryhobo 2y ago
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1068495/china-number-of-outbound-tourist-number/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1068495/china-number-of-...
    - nevertoolate 2y ago
      I don't even get why I'm downvoted or why you linked this. The number is in the millions obviously so what is the point?
dang 2y ago
You've been using HN primarily (even exclusively) for nationalistic battle. You've also been breaking the site guidelines in all sorts of other ways. Since we've asked you repeatedly not to do this and you've ignored those requests, I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Gathering6678 2y ago

Maybe visit your nearest US consulate to see how many are trying to get into the States, despite all the ** things in recent years.

dluan 2y ago
You will be surprised to learn then that it's fallen dramatically. Like in just the last 5 years the perception is completely different, especially among young people.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  The green card queues for employment based green cards for China born applicants tell another story https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-card-waiting-time-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-car...
tokioyoyo 2y ago
There are 1.4B Chinese. Like obviously some will want to move away. The question is, per capita, what is the rate of locals fleeing away from each country.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  Even per capita more Chinese are leaving the country for US than the other way round.
  - hollerith 2y ago
    Sure, but this is a statistic Beijing is not even trying to improve: at least during the last 10 years, Beijing sees Westerners as a threat and rarely offers them citizenship or permanent residency.
  - onemoresoop 2y ago
    Compare past to present and you’ll see a large drop.

suraci 2y ago

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YZF 2y ago
Meng Wanzhou was roaming in beautiful Vancouver BC while awaiting judgment on the extradition request. Meanwhile China was keeping random Canadian citizens it arrested in retaliation in some dungeon. Either way the US did not kidnap her. Since her case never went to trial we don't know if she is guilty or not. Anyways, this is what a rule of law looks like. It's possible the original request was politically motivated but there's still a independent judicial system at work. In China there's none of that. Sometimes the rule of law gets things wrong but that's still way ahead than the arbitrary "justice" of totalitarian countries.
- suraci 2y ago
  > we don't know if she is guilty or not > random Canadian citizens(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_and_Michael_Kovrig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_an...) > Anyways, this is what a rule of law looks like I like the tongue geeze i don't know how to express it that how much i like this
  - YZF 2y ago
    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Yes. Everyone knows I'm referring to the two Michaels. The party that is rogue in this whole story is China. Even if the conduct of the US authorities here is/was suspect the retaliatory arrests is how the Mafia operates. I am not a fan of the way the US and Canada behaved here but at the end of the day for the most part Meng Wanzhou was not locked up, she had a luxury wait while the slow wheels of justice grind. It's almost certain there was some funny business from the Huawei side here as well since naturally they wouldn't care less about violating US sanctions. The law and the rule of law in free and democratic countries can be abused. But it's still way ahead of the other option.
    - suraci 2y ago

somelamer567 2y ago

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Fricken 2y ago
Here, read it on Wikipedia: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative
dang 2y ago
Attacking another user like this, no matter how badly they broke the site guidelines themselves, is absolutely not ok on Hacker News. Please don't do it again, and please stop posting flamewar comments to HN generally. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 2y ago

Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? Swipes like "Lol, keep dreaming man" are against the site guidelines, and getting into nationalistic spats is not what HN is for. When you post like this, you're just inviting even worse from others (unintentionally of course). That's how we end up with degraded responses like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43226552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43226552. Worse, you've been repeatedly posting nationalistic flamewar comments in recent weeks. This is bad. I understand the frustrations, but this is no way to make your case. There's an extra burden on commenters who are representing a minority view, especially when the topic is divisive. That's arguably unfair, but it doesn't make it ok to break the rules, and it's not in your interest to do that. I've written a lot about this over the years (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20minority%20view&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...), including this just yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858.