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Please stop spreading propaganda. Most Americans don't support Trump. At best, a third of Americans voted for him in 2024, which means two-thirds didn't. And h

by krapp 2y ago

Please stop spreading propaganda. Most Americans don't support Trump. At best, a third of Americans voted for him in 2024, which means two-thirds didn't. And he's rapidly losing support within his own base, from people who didn't expect him to go as far as he has, or didn't expect the ramifications to apply to them.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
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- krapp 2y ago
  Friend, I didn't post propaganda or rhetoric, I posted math. Feel free to post sources to the contrary, or explain what you consider misleading. Simply claiming that everything is propaganda is neither constructive nor interesting conversation.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
    Are you familiar with relatively common phrase that originated from "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"[1]? I am curious. Not whether you do, but how you will respond. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies%2C_damned_lies%2C_and_statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies%2C_damned_lies%2C_and_sta...
  - account42 2y ago
    No, you posted copium. People not voting doesn't mean that they don't support Trump, it only menas they didn't bother to vote. The baseline assumption is that non-voters have the same distribution of opinions as voters. If you want to make a different argument you better back it up with more than "TRUMP BAD".
palata 2y ago
> Most Americans don't support Trump. I didn't say "most americans", did I? > And he's rapidly losing support within his own base Weeks (and 3 nazi salutes) after he started, polls were showing that he would probably still be elected: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43206757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43206757. I don't feel like I'm spreading propaganda by saying that the US don't seem very close to a civil war. A majority of the voters elected this government and apparently won't change their mind unless they are impacted personally. > And he's rapidly losing support within his own base That depends a lot on what you mean by "rapidly". Relative to how quickly he has destroyed the image of the US abroad, and to the damage he is making inside the country, I wouldn't say that some people from his own base finding that he is going slightly too far counts as "rapidly losing support within his own base".
- Tainnor 2y ago
  You don't need a majority of people to start a revolution or a civil war, there are plenty of historical examples for that.
  - palata 2y ago
    Sure, but you need quite a few people ready to fight. And if it is the case that Trump would still be elected today, it suggests that all the voters and most of the non-voters (who don't care enought to vote) and at least some of those who would now vote against the nazi-friendly government are not exactly ready to fight. You need a lot of very unhappy people to get to civil war. And right now it doesn't seem like the US people is that unhappy. Right now the US is mostly hurting the rest of the West.

by krapp 2y ago

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago

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krapp 2y ago
Friend, I didn't post propaganda or rhetoric, I posted math. Feel free to post sources to the contrary, or explain what you consider misleading. Simply claiming that everything is propaganda is neither constructive nor interesting conversation.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
  Are you familiar with relatively common phrase that originated from "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"[1]? I am curious. Not whether you do, but how you will respond. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies%2C_damned_lies%2C_and_statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies%2C_damned_lies%2C_and_sta...
- account42 2y ago
  No, you posted copium. People not voting doesn't mean that they don't support Trump, it only menas they didn't bother to vote. The baseline assumption is that non-voters have the same distribution of opinions as voters. If you want to make a different argument you better back it up with more than "TRUMP BAD".

palata 2y ago

> Most Americans don't support Trump. I didn't say "most americans", did I? > And he's rapidly losing support within his own base Weeks (and 3 nazi salutes) after he started, polls were showing that he would probably still be elected: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43206757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43206757. I don't feel like I'm spreading propaganda by saying that the US don't seem very close to a civil war. A majority of the voters elected this government and apparently won't change their mind unless they are impacted personally. > And he's rapidly losing support within his own base That depends a lot on what you mean by "rapidly". Relative to how quickly he has destroyed the image of the US abroad, and to the damage he is making inside the country, I wouldn't say that some people from his own base finding that he is going slightly too far counts as "rapidly losing support within his own base".

Tainnor 2y ago
You don't need a majority of people to start a revolution or a civil war, there are plenty of historical examples for that.
- palata 2y ago
  Sure, but you need quite a few people ready to fight. And if it is the case that Trump would still be elected today, it suggests that all the voters and most of the non-voters (who don't care enought to vote) and at least some of those who would now vote against the nazi-friendly government are not exactly ready to fight. You need a lot of very unhappy people to get to civil war. And right now it doesn't seem like the US people is that unhappy. Right now the US is mostly hurting the rest of the West.