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Civil War

by groestl 2y ago

Civil War

shepherdjerred 2y ago
I'm all for a civil war after what Trump did to Zelensky. Absolutely disgusting.
- jcgrillo 2y ago
  It's more than that, it's unbelievably dangerous. There's a reason world leaders don't do stuff like that in public, we just signaled loud and clear we're absolutely not to be trusted. If China wants to make a move on Taiwan, the DPRK wants to shell Seoul, or Russia wants to test Article 5 they just got a lot more confident in our lack of conviction. And all our allies had better be drawing up contingencies that don't involve us coming to their aid.
  - 1over137 2y ago
    Maybe, maybe not. They may also conclude Trump is unhinged and can flip on a dime, and it would be risky to predict his response.
goatlover 2y ago
No reason for blue states to stay in the union if things continue down this path.
- tayo42 2y ago
  I don't think it's that simple Blue states just have bigger urban areas. It's an urban rural difference. I don't have the numbers off hand but I wouldn't be surprised if NY would be a red state if you excluded Manhattan and the other boroughs
  - ncallaway 2y ago
    > I don't have the numbers off hand but I wouldn't be surprised if NY would be a red state if you excluded Manhattan and the other boroughs "Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?"
    - Macha 2y ago
      It always surprises me when people's mental model of fair say is divided by land area and not by population.
      - tayo42 2y ago
        We're not talking about fair say, I'm talking about a civil war being unrealistic
        ncallaway 2y ago
        I don't actually think that would have much impact on how realistic a civil war is. I think that might impact the tactics of the war, or how bloody it is, but I don't think it makes it less possible to happen. It's dangerously possible, and it's a deep concern of mine that we're headed in that direction.
- groestl 2y ago
  People are not neatly allocated according to state borders (and also not neatly along party lines).
  - blibble 2y ago
    if history is any guide that sorts itself out pretty quickly
    - groestl 2y ago
      And the sorting is, in essence, my point.
boroboro4 2y ago
I feel like we’re all to complicit for such drastic measure. Which makes it all even more depressing.
dj_gitmo 2y ago
Counterpoint: People are not going to get off the couch.

Civil War

shepherdjerred 2y ago

I'm all for a civil war after what Trump did to Zelensky. Absolutely disgusting.

jcgrillo 2y ago
It's more than that, it's unbelievably dangerous. There's a reason world leaders don't do stuff like that in public, we just signaled loud and clear we're absolutely not to be trusted. If China wants to make a move on Taiwan, the DPRK wants to shell Seoul, or Russia wants to test Article 5 they just got a lot more confident in our lack of conviction. And all our allies had better be drawing up contingencies that don't involve us coming to their aid.
- 1over137 2y ago
  Maybe, maybe not. They may also conclude Trump is unhinged and can flip on a dime, and it would be risky to predict his response.

goatlover 2y ago

No reason for blue states to stay in the union if things continue down this path.

tayo42 2y ago
I don't think it's that simple Blue states just have bigger urban areas. It's an urban rural difference. I don't have the numbers off hand but I wouldn't be surprised if NY would be a red state if you excluded Manhattan and the other boroughs
- ncallaway 2y ago
  > I don't have the numbers off hand but I wouldn't be surprised if NY would be a red state if you excluded Manhattan and the other boroughs "Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?"
  - Macha 2y ago
    It always surprises me when people's mental model of fair say is divided by land area and not by population.
    - tayo42 2y ago
      We're not talking about fair say, I'm talking about a civil war being unrealistic
      - ncallaway 2y ago
        I don't actually think that would have much impact on how realistic a civil war is. I think that might impact the tactics of the war, or how bloody it is, but I don't think it makes it less possible to happen. It's dangerously possible, and it's a deep concern of mine that we're headed in that direction.
groestl 2y ago
People are not neatly allocated according to state borders (and also not neatly along party lines).
- blibble 2y ago
  if history is any guide that sorts itself out pretty quickly
  - groestl 2y ago
    And the sorting is, in essence, my point.

boroboro4 2y ago

I feel like we’re all to complicit for such drastic measure. Which makes it all even more depressing.

dj_gitmo 2y ago

Counterpoint: People are not going to get off the couch.