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The reality is nobody cares. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to take a screenshot of a movie and I’m sure most people haven’t either.

by what 2y ago

dghlsakjg 2y ago
You can’t extrapolate your needs to everyone’s needs. I’ve never needed to use a wheelchair for mobility, most people haven’t. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t consider the use case. What if you need to use a screen reader or magnifier for the text at the beginning of star wars. You would be pretty pissed if it was blocked by DRM. Hopefully pissed enough to sue under the ADA.
- what 2y ago
  This is kind of a silly argument. You’re not going to stop your movie to take a screenshot so you can magnify the text or run some TTS on it. If you want movies to be “accessible”, you should argue for that. Being able to screenshot a movie doesn’t help make them accessible in the first place.
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    I stop my movies all the time to read letters or text that passed by too quick to be see. I don’t know why someone vision disabled would not do that. They don’t have to be taking a screenshot, just using software that uses a screenshot api, like a screen magnifier or reader for example. The thing about accessibility is that you frequently don’t know or can’t anticipate how the built environment (including software) will be used by the disabled. Again, do not extrapolate your use case or experience to all users. Maybe I’m a college student that wants to take a screen grab for purposes covered under fair use. Maybe I’m a customer that needs to show a picture defect to customer support. Maybe there’s a use case that I haven’t thought of yet. The point is that disallowing screen shots prevents a lot of behaviors that are good for this world.
    - what 2y ago
      Make the video player accessible then.
      - dghlsakjg 2y ago
        That's my whole point. The way to make it accessible is to allow users to do what the want with the content on their computer. Accessible isn't binary, it is a spectrum of options. The point of many accessibility features in the real world and the digital is to increase possibilities and modalities of use. DRM that blocks screenshots is the opposite of that. I encourage you to learn more about the disabled and their needs before you keep firing off these quips. It isn't adding to the conversation, and the faults in your reasoning have already been explained thoroughly. The accessibility was just one of many arguments put forth for perfectly valid reasons you might want to take a screenshot of a video player. You said: "The reality is nobody cares. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to take a screenshot of a movie and I’m sure most people haven’t either." I'm just pointing out that there are people that DO care, and that there are compelling practical, moral, and legal reasons to care even if those reasons don't affect you right now. There are plenty of things that exist in this world that matter a great deal to people, that will never matter to you.
        what 2y ago
        Sorry, but you don’t need to be able to take a screenshot of a movie to make it accessible. Build the accessibility features into the player if people need them. And you may care about being able to take a screenshot for other reasons, but my entire point was that 98% of people don’t, it hasn’t even crossed their minds. If you really need that screenshot, you can take a picture with your phone.
        card_zero 2y ago
        That's a different point. Taking screenshots is probably uncommon, I could believe that. And therefore ..?
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  - m4rtink 2y ago
    All the time to Google translate various Japanese signs.
  - ddingus 2y ago
    Wanna bet? I do that regularly. Sometimes just use my phone too. "Accessible" to me means I get to use the media how I want to use it. And when that is actually the deal I am happy to pay. When it isn't? Let's just say I am not happy to pay. A frame capture to see a detail, or discuss it with a friend is a perfectly ordinary thing to do. Same goes for audio. People like to use media in many ways. And these people have general purpose computing devices that do all sorts of things as they were designed to do. What if people want to talk production? WHY does it look or sound like it does? I believe what you meant to say was YOU think it is silly because YOU would NEVER stop your movie. And that is OK! My wife would strongly agree with you.
    - what 2y ago
      You don’t get to redefine accessibility.
      - dghlsakjg 2y ago
        Why do we have to go by your chosen definition?
        ddingus 2y ago
        You don't. My point simply is far more people than you may currently expect consider actually using something as a meaningful part of access. It is kind of silly to separate the two in this context. However ill advised I may consider it to be, you get to do that. Access to media without use does not make much sense. "Here, hold this DVD for me." Thanks?
        dghlsakjg 2y ago
        I’m in agreement with you. I was asking the other commenter (what) why he felt free to dismiss your definition on accessibility as a revision, while at the same time asking us to abide by his arbitrarily decided definition as the one true definition. I fully think that accessibility is impossible without freedom to use all possible functionality.
kevincox 2y ago
I do this semi-frequently. I'll seed a funny screenshot or short clip to friends. It's free marketing for the show. They should really build short-clip sharing into their apps.
- what 2y ago
  I guess I’m the weirdo based on the downvotes, but I’ve never even considered taking a screenshot of a movie and I don’t think I could because I watch them on a TV.
  - bobobobo2 2y ago
    You're getting downvoted because people are trying to explain why they need to do something you are insistent nobody needs to do. But it's moot anyway, because you don't have a good explanation for why someone can't use their own computer in a way that they want, despite being in control of everything happening on the device. It's coming off a little desperate and like you have an agenda to push, if you're curious.
    - what 2y ago
      No one has actually explained why they need to take a screenshot of a movie. This argument about using your computer how you want doesn’t make any sense. And you making an account to say this comes off as even more desperate and agenda pushy.
      - 201984 2y ago
        >No one has actually explained why they need to take a screenshot of a movie. They do it because they feel like it. Why should they need a better reason than that?
      - defrost 2y ago
        There are as many reasons as there are screenshots on reddit ... * sharing glaring continuity errors ... * finding real world shoot location via crowd sourcing and comparing screen and original to identifiy CGI addins. * reasonable use screenshot for a fan wiki. * send to a relative showing your face in crowd scene as an extra. * ... Why shouldn't people be able to take screenshots?
paulryanrogers 2y ago
Memes often rely on screenshots of movies.

The reality is nobody cares. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to take a screenshot of a movie and I’m sure most people haven’t either.

by what 2y ago

The reality is nobody cares. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to take a screenshot of a movie and I’m sure most people haven’t either.

dghlsakjg 2y ago

You can’t extrapolate your needs to everyone’s needs. I’ve never needed to use a wheelchair for mobility, most people haven’t. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t consider the use case. What if you need to use a screen reader or magnifier for the text at the beginning of star wars. You would be pretty pissed if it was blocked by DRM. Hopefully pissed enough to sue under the ADA.

what 2y ago
This is kind of a silly argument. You’re not going to stop your movie to take a screenshot so you can magnify the text or run some TTS on it. If you want movies to be “accessible”, you should argue for that. Being able to screenshot a movie doesn’t help make them accessible in the first place.
- dghlsakjg 2y ago
  I stop my movies all the time to read letters or text that passed by too quick to be see. I don’t know why someone vision disabled would not do that. They don’t have to be taking a screenshot, just using software that uses a screenshot api, like a screen magnifier or reader for example. The thing about accessibility is that you frequently don’t know or can’t anticipate how the built environment (including software) will be used by the disabled. Again, do not extrapolate your use case or experience to all users. Maybe I’m a college student that wants to take a screen grab for purposes covered under fair use. Maybe I’m a customer that needs to show a picture defect to customer support. Maybe there’s a use case that I haven’t thought of yet. The point is that disallowing screen shots prevents a lot of behaviors that are good for this world.
  - what 2y ago
    Make the video player accessible then.
    - dghlsakjg 2y ago
      That's my whole point. The way to make it accessible is to allow users to do what the want with the content on their computer. Accessible isn't binary, it is a spectrum of options. The point of many accessibility features in the real world and the digital is to increase possibilities and modalities of use. DRM that blocks screenshots is the opposite of that. I encourage you to learn more about the disabled and their needs before you keep firing off these quips. It isn't adding to the conversation, and the faults in your reasoning have already been explained thoroughly. The accessibility was just one of many arguments put forth for perfectly valid reasons you might want to take a screenshot of a video player. You said: "The reality is nobody cares. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to take a screenshot of a movie and I’m sure most people haven’t either." I'm just pointing out that there are people that DO care, and that there are compelling practical, moral, and legal reasons to care even if those reasons don't affect you right now. There are plenty of things that exist in this world that matter a great deal to people, that will never matter to you.
      - what 2y ago
        Sorry, but you don’t need to be able to take a screenshot of a movie to make it accessible. Build the accessibility features into the player if people need them. And you may care about being able to take a screenshot for other reasons, but my entire point was that 98% of people don’t, it hasn’t even crossed their minds. If you really need that screenshot, you can take a picture with your phone.
        card_zero 2y ago
        That's a different point. Taking screenshots is probably uncommon, I could believe that. And therefore ..?
  - deleted 2y ago
- m4rtink 2y ago
  All the time to Google translate various Japanese signs.
- ddingus 2y ago
  Wanna bet? I do that regularly. Sometimes just use my phone too. "Accessible" to me means I get to use the media how I want to use it. And when that is actually the deal I am happy to pay. When it isn't? Let's just say I am not happy to pay. A frame capture to see a detail, or discuss it with a friend is a perfectly ordinary thing to do. Same goes for audio. People like to use media in many ways. And these people have general purpose computing devices that do all sorts of things as they were designed to do. What if people want to talk production? WHY does it look or sound like it does? I believe what you meant to say was YOU think it is silly because YOU would NEVER stop your movie. And that is OK! My wife would strongly agree with you.
  - what 2y ago
    You don’t get to redefine accessibility.
    - dghlsakjg 2y ago
      Why do we have to go by your chosen definition?
      - ddingus 2y ago
        You don't. My point simply is far more people than you may currently expect consider actually using something as a meaningful part of access. It is kind of silly to separate the two in this context. However ill advised I may consider it to be, you get to do that. Access to media without use does not make much sense. "Here, hold this DVD for me." Thanks?
        dghlsakjg 2y ago
        I’m in agreement with you. I was asking the other commenter (what) why he felt free to dismiss your definition on accessibility as a revision, while at the same time asking us to abide by his arbitrarily decided definition as the one true definition. I fully think that accessibility is impossible without freedom to use all possible functionality.

kevincox 2y ago

I do this semi-frequently. I'll seed a funny screenshot or short clip to friends. It's free marketing for the show. They should really build short-clip sharing into their apps.

what 2y ago
I guess I’m the weirdo based on the downvotes, but I’ve never even considered taking a screenshot of a movie and I don’t think I could because I watch them on a TV.
- bobobobo2 2y ago
  You're getting downvoted because people are trying to explain why they need to do something you are insistent nobody needs to do. But it's moot anyway, because you don't have a good explanation for why someone can't use their own computer in a way that they want, despite being in control of everything happening on the device. It's coming off a little desperate and like you have an agenda to push, if you're curious.
  - what 2y ago
    No one has actually explained why they need to take a screenshot of a movie. This argument about using your computer how you want doesn’t make any sense. And you making an account to say this comes off as even more desperate and agenda pushy.
    - 201984 2y ago
      >No one has actually explained why they need to take a screenshot of a movie. They do it because they feel like it. Why should they need a better reason than that?
    - defrost 2y ago
      There are as many reasons as there are screenshots on reddit ... * sharing glaring continuity errors ... * finding real world shoot location via crowd sourcing and comparing screen and original to identifiy CGI addins. * reasonable use screenshot for a fan wiki. * send to a relative showing your face in crowd scene as an extra. * ... Why shouldn't people be able to take screenshots?

paulryanrogers 2y ago

Memes often rely on screenshots of movies.