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> Then again, anyone who’s in a calorie deficit has lower energy. Presumably if you're trying to lose weight, you have energy to burn you carry around with you

> Then again, anyone who’s in a calorie deficit has lower energy. Presumably if you're trying to lose weight, you have energy to burn you carry around with you. A calorie deficit doesn't imply lack of calories to burn. Presumably you're trying to trigger ketogenesis. Granted, this is a lot less easy to access than simply eating simple carbs right before a workout and likely a lot less comfortable.

TeMPOraL 2y ago
> Presumably you're trying to trigger ketogenesis. Only if you're actually on a keto diet; most weight loss routines run a calorie deficit without triggering ketogenesis. Also there's this whole thing about set points - you probably got to your weight somehow, and if it wasn't through consistently making stupid choices over many years, chances are this is what the body learned to consider an equilibrium state. Which means that, if you start running a calorie deficit, it's going to fight you every step of the way. It will happily scale down performance to conserve energy instead of burning the accumulated fat, so you'll just be slow and groggy but not lose weight. There's been reported cases where people got mental illness-level obsessive thoughts about food, which appeared when they were hungry, and stopped when they ate enough. The degree of this problem varies between people, but it's generally not that easy to effectively lose weight, and some people simply lost the genetic/environmental lottery on this.
- ForTheKidz 2y ago
  > The degree of this problem varies between people, but it's generally not that easy to effectively lose weight, and some people simply lost the genetic/environmental lottery on this. Yea, I think your eating and food habits you learn as a child and teenager tend to shape you for life. I was malnourished as a child (I was considered a picky eater) but as an adult I've found it quite easy to keep within the caloric bounds a doctor told me to keep to. One thing I've noticed is that hunger just doesn't bother me the way it does with people who struggle to lose weight or with binge eating—mostly a pain in the ass (I need to remind and force myself to eat), but occasionally something I'm grateful for as I watch the people around me struggle on an existential level with their cravings and bodies. I also don't have a sweet tooth, and I put that on not being allowed sweets as a child except under very exceptional circumstances. I'm also a (thankfully recovering) alcoholic, so don't mistake this for being generally good at avoiding cravings.
- resoluteteeth 2y ago
  > Also there's this whole thing about set points - you probably got to your weight somehow, and if it wasn't through consistently making stupid choices over many years, chances are this is what the body learned to consider an equilibrium state. The idea of set points is controversial and not necessarily the accepted scientific consensus.

TeMPOraL 2y ago

> Presumably you're trying to trigger ketogenesis. Only if you're actually on a keto diet; most weight loss routines run a calorie deficit without triggering ketogenesis. Also there's this whole thing about set points - you probably got to your weight somehow, and if it wasn't through consistently making stupid choices over many years, chances are this is what the body learned to consider an equilibrium state. Which means that, if you start running a calorie deficit, it's going to fight you every step of the way. It will happily scale down performance to conserve energy instead of burning the accumulated fat, so you'll just be slow and groggy but not lose weight. There's been reported cases where people got mental illness-level obsessive thoughts about food, which appeared when they were hungry, and stopped when they ate enough. The degree of this problem varies between people, but it's generally not that easy to effectively lose weight, and some people simply lost the genetic/environmental lottery on this.

ForTheKidz 2y ago
> The degree of this problem varies between people, but it's generally not that easy to effectively lose weight, and some people simply lost the genetic/environmental lottery on this. Yea, I think your eating and food habits you learn as a child and teenager tend to shape you for life. I was malnourished as a child (I was considered a picky eater) but as an adult I've found it quite easy to keep within the caloric bounds a doctor told me to keep to. One thing I've noticed is that hunger just doesn't bother me the way it does with people who struggle to lose weight or with binge eating—mostly a pain in the ass (I need to remind and force myself to eat), but occasionally something I'm grateful for as I watch the people around me struggle on an existential level with their cravings and bodies. I also don't have a sweet tooth, and I put that on not being allowed sweets as a child except under very exceptional circumstances. I'm also a (thankfully recovering) alcoholic, so don't mistake this for being generally good at avoiding cravings.
resoluteteeth 2y ago
> Also there's this whole thing about set points - you probably got to your weight somehow, and if it wasn't through consistently making stupid choices over many years, chances are this is what the body learned to consider an equilibrium state. The idea of set points is controversial and not necessarily the accepted scientific consensus.