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The article posits that 80% of the top income quintile will be on this medication. I have to ask, why? (I'm not in the US, I should add). Like, sure, is the av

The article posits that 80% of the top income quintile will be on this medication. I have to ask, why? (I'm not in the US, I should add). Like, sure, is the average American overweight? Yes. Are 80% of the top 20% of earners? Seems pretty doubtful, plenty of the rich look to be in reasonable shape. That statistic suggests that 80% of successful people have such poor impulse control that they end up seriously overweight or obese. And I say that as someone who likes a treat every couple of days, but exercises enough to maintain a fairly healthy weight. Admittedly if there were a GLP1 for procrastination, I'd be on that stuff like a shot...

cedws 2y ago
There are some signs that these drugs have effects beyond just apetite supression leading to weight loss. I recall reading something about them having a direct slowing effect on the metabolism, which increases longevity, among other benefits. I can foresee it being used like a supplement among those who can afford it.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  It will probably fuck up your body in ways that we can hardly imagine. Ozempic has been linked to lots of horrible side effects.
  - glp1guide 2y ago
    No it hasn’t— its well researched and the short to mid term (ish) side effects are well known: https://glp1.guide/tag/category-side-effects/ https://glp1.guide/tag/category-side-effects/
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
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      - the_sleaze_ 2y ago
        > blindness, osteoporosis, depression, digestive and metabolic issues I believe each of those are listed in the link he provided. It's up to the individual to make their own decisions as to their own health. At least the information exists with which to make informed decisions.
        wakawaka28 2y ago
        You're technically right but when people like this keep insisting it's safe in spite of clear evidence to the contrary, and they point to catch-all disclaimers that bury the lead, you might understand how someone would overestimate the safety of the drug.
      - glp1guide 2y ago
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        wakawaka28 2y ago
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  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    (Copied from a post that was flagged) Also, Ozempic suspected of causing: Osteoporosis: https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a62282449/ozempic-bon https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a62282449/ozempic-bon... Blindness: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/review-3-potential https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/review-3-potential... Stomach paralysis: https://www.webmd.com/obesity/ozempic-and-stomach-paralysis https://www.webmd.com/obesity/ozempic-and-stomach-paralysis https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ozempic-wegovy-li https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ozempic-wegovy-li... Genital infections: https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-w https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-w... Pancreatitis: https://healthylifebariatrics.com/ozempic-pancreatitis-sympt https://healthylifebariatrics.com/ozempic-pancreatitis-sympt... Intestinal paralysis (generally): https://www.healthline.com/health-news/fda-updates-ozempic-l https://www.healthline.com/health-news/fda-updates-ozempic-l... Same, leading to colon removal: https://people.com/woman-sues-ozempic-manufacturer-colon-rem https://people.com/woman-sues-ozempic-manufacturer-colon-rem... Depression: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-people-are-c https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-people-are-c... Furthermore, people who say GLP-1 drugs are commonly prescribed omit the fact that diabetics are the main consumers, and their bodies probably work very different from those of normal people.
  - TechDebtDevin 2y ago
    Its saved or extended 1000 lives for every one person whos gotten some GI stress from it.
    - Earw0rm 2y ago
      That says T2D is bad (indeed, arguably a lot worse than popular understanding), not GLP-1's are candy. Have to wonder if people really understood the consequences, would they still allow themselves to get in that state? Then again, used to be that smoking was something 1-in-3 did, so... Anyway, seems pretty settled that fixing T2D with GLP-1's is a lot less harmful than not, but using them on healthy people is a different story.
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      I doubt it's that high of a ratio. Even if it was, you need to break it down into weight loss versus diabetic cases. I'm sure the dosage is different along with the mechanism of action, even though the substance is the same. Imagine saying that starches have extended more lives than they have cost, without breaking down the analysis any further. Clearly the health impact depends on the quantities and patterns of consumption. This is the kind of muddling that is now happening with GLP-1 drugs.
gcanyon 2y ago
> Admittedly if there were a GLP1 for procrastination, I'd be on that stuff like a shot... Me too! Maybe later... <kidding>
gibspaulding 2y ago
> if there were a GLP1 for procrastination Adderall?
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  Amphetamine for procrastination already has an analogy for weight loss: amphetamine. The analogy for a GLP-1 agonist for procrastination would be something safer yet possibly more effective.
- jijji 2y ago
  Guanfacine? Atomoxetine? safer, non-narcotic (not on a Schedule), non-habit forming, non-stimulant medication for attention deficit disorder (ADD)
glp1guide 2y ago
> Admittedly if there were a GLP1 for procrastination, I'd be on that stuff like a shot... This might be my biggest unknown with GLP1s, how does it affect people with reward system issues — it could dramatically worsen a procrastination problem if it dampen the will to reward seek. Then again it has only seemed to do this for vices so far
SimianLogic 2y ago
I think the point was that 80% would have insurance coverage, not that everyone would take it.
fundad 2y ago
I think that’s 80% of people using the drug will be in the top quintile

cedws 2y ago

There are some signs that these drugs have effects beyond just apetite supression leading to weight loss. I recall reading something about them having a direct slowing effect on the metabolism, which increases longevity, among other benefits. I can foresee it being used like a supplement among those who can afford it.

wakawaka28 2y ago
It will probably fuck up your body in ways that we can hardly imagine. Ozempic has been linked to lots of horrible side effects.
- glp1guide 2y ago
  No it hasn’t— its well researched and the short to mid term (ish) side effects are well known: https://glp1.guide/tag/category-side-effects/ https://glp1.guide/tag/category-side-effects/
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
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    - the_sleaze_ 2y ago
      > blindness, osteoporosis, depression, digestive and metabolic issues I believe each of those are listed in the link he provided. It's up to the individual to make their own decisions as to their own health. At least the information exists with which to make informed decisions.
      - wakawaka28 2y ago
        You're technically right but when people like this keep insisting it's safe in spite of clear evidence to the contrary, and they point to catch-all disclaimers that bury the lead, you might understand how someone would overestimate the safety of the drug.
    - glp1guide 2y ago
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      - wakawaka28 2y ago
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- wakawaka28 2y ago
  (Copied from a post that was flagged) Also, Ozempic suspected of causing: Osteoporosis: https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a62282449/ozempic-bon https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a62282449/ozempic-bon... Blindness: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/review-3-potential https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/review-3-potential... Stomach paralysis: https://www.webmd.com/obesity/ozempic-and-stomach-paralysis https://www.webmd.com/obesity/ozempic-and-stomach-paralysis https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ozempic-wegovy-li https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ozempic-wegovy-li... Genital infections: https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-w https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-w... Pancreatitis: https://healthylifebariatrics.com/ozempic-pancreatitis-sympt https://healthylifebariatrics.com/ozempic-pancreatitis-sympt... Intestinal paralysis (generally): https://www.healthline.com/health-news/fda-updates-ozempic-l https://www.healthline.com/health-news/fda-updates-ozempic-l... Same, leading to colon removal: https://people.com/woman-sues-ozempic-manufacturer-colon-rem https://people.com/woman-sues-ozempic-manufacturer-colon-rem... Depression: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-people-are-c https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-people-are-c... Furthermore, people who say GLP-1 drugs are commonly prescribed omit the fact that diabetics are the main consumers, and their bodies probably work very different from those of normal people.
- TechDebtDevin 2y ago
  Its saved or extended 1000 lives for every one person whos gotten some GI stress from it.
  - Earw0rm 2y ago
    That says T2D is bad (indeed, arguably a lot worse than popular understanding), not GLP-1's are candy. Have to wonder if people really understood the consequences, would they still allow themselves to get in that state? Then again, used to be that smoking was something 1-in-3 did, so... Anyway, seems pretty settled that fixing T2D with GLP-1's is a lot less harmful than not, but using them on healthy people is a different story.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    I doubt it's that high of a ratio. Even if it was, you need to break it down into weight loss versus diabetic cases. I'm sure the dosage is different along with the mechanism of action, even though the substance is the same. Imagine saying that starches have extended more lives than they have cost, without breaking down the analysis any further. Clearly the health impact depends on the quantities and patterns of consumption. This is the kind of muddling that is now happening with GLP-1 drugs.

gcanyon 2y ago

> Admittedly if there were a GLP1 for procrastination, I'd be on that stuff like a shot... Me too! Maybe later... <kidding>

gibspaulding 2y ago

> if there were a GLP1 for procrastination Adderall?

hombre_fatal 2y ago
Amphetamine for procrastination already has an analogy for weight loss: amphetamine. The analogy for a GLP-1 agonist for procrastination would be something safer yet possibly more effective.
jijji 2y ago
Guanfacine? Atomoxetine? safer, non-narcotic (not on a Schedule), non-habit forming, non-stimulant medication for attention deficit disorder (ADD)

glp1guide 2y ago

> Admittedly if there were a GLP1 for procrastination, I'd be on that stuff like a shot... This might be my biggest unknown with GLP1s, how does it affect people with reward system issues — it could dramatically worsen a procrastination problem if it dampen the will to reward seek. Then again it has only seemed to do this for vices so far

SimianLogic 2y ago

I think the point was that 80% would have insurance coverage, not that everyone would take it.

fundad 2y ago

I think that’s 80% of people using the drug will be in the top quintile