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I would feel like an absolute failure if I need medicine to help create willpower. EDIT: under the assumption of an average person who is not under any medical

I would feel like an absolute failure if I need medicine to help create willpower. EDIT: under the assumption of an average person who is not under any medical condition that may result in lack of willpower

netsharc 2y ago
Wasn't there an ADHD drug that was popular for hyper-productivity, in the years where being productive was all the hype?
- ReptileMan 2y ago
  Yeah. Amphetamines. All of those are drugs are like a scooby doo villain unmasking and amphetamines are underneath the mask.
- blitzar 2y ago
  Work place performance enhancing drugs are still a thing. If you are not on them you are at a major disadvantage.
- throwaway657656 2y ago
  Not ADHD specifically, but about 12 years ago, the media was hyping Provigil as a "secret weapon" of the ultra-productive. Despite having a prescription, CVS told me that my insurance wouldn't cover it and it would cost $1500 for 30 pills. I walked away and then went back to buy it. If I could just get 30 additional minutes of billable time per day per pill it would be worth it. I took about 5 over a week and destroyed the rest. It wasn't good for anything but keep me awake in a semi-zombie low-creative state. This very expensive drug/lesson was effective and making me realize I need to seriously work on my impulse control.
  - alostpuppy 2y ago
    That was a weird hype train when that happened around that one. I tried it and gained like 40 pounds.
mhb 2y ago
How would you feel if you were born with an unusual and detrimental somatic condition that could be fixed with medicine?
- GZGavinZhao 2y ago
  Updated, I should clarify that assuming no medical needs.
  - mhb 2y ago
    It's a philosophical argument. There's a great Radiolab about this (if you can tolerate their banter). Man is acting weird and offensive. People treat him as you'd expect. Then it is discovered that he has a tumor that is causing his behavior. Now he receives sympathy and treatment. The point being that we all have different brain configurations which cause our behavior. Some we call tumors. Others are "normal". Your definition of "medical needs" is where the interesting meta-discussion takes place.
cedws 2y ago
This is the same line of thinking as "drug addicts should just stop doing drugs."
- GZGavinZhao 2y ago
  Apologies, I've updated to clarify that my comment is under the assumption that the host is not already under a non-natural influence or medical condition. For example, in the case if there is a medicine that would help drug addicts with their addiction I would be 100% for it.
  - cedws 2y ago
    Even so. Food can evoke the same neurochemical response as hard drugs or sex for some people. It is even more readily available than either of those things, and it is advertised and produced by multinational conglomerates with huge advertising budgets. They have the resources to maximise the attractiveness of their products and optimise the way they taste to be as pleasurable to eat as possible. Usually that means filling them with terrible ingredients. It's not much different than social media. People get addicted to social media because they don't stand a chance against social media companies that employ an army of people to optimise every facet of their product for addictiveness. Modern lifestyles are more sendentary than they used to be, and that plays a part in the explosion of obesity, but so do the conglomerates that produce the junk food.
    - lm28469 2y ago
      I have the same reasoning but the opposite conclusion, we should seriously reconsider our lifestyle choices, as a society, instead of just throwing a magic pill in the mix and closing our eyes on the fact that we're building a completely insane system in which humans are everything but thriving
      - cedws 2y ago
        Ok cool, let me know how you plan to do that.
layer8 2y ago
Not as much as if such medicine weren’t available. ;)
furyofantares 2y ago
I guess people whose strengths and weaknesses differ from your own should feel like absolute failures then.

netsharc 2y ago

Wasn't there an ADHD drug that was popular for hyper-productivity, in the years where being productive was all the hype?

ReptileMan 2y ago
Yeah. Amphetamines. All of those are drugs are like a scooby doo villain unmasking and amphetamines are underneath the mask.
blitzar 2y ago
Work place performance enhancing drugs are still a thing. If you are not on them you are at a major disadvantage.
throwaway657656 2y ago
Not ADHD specifically, but about 12 years ago, the media was hyping Provigil as a "secret weapon" of the ultra-productive. Despite having a prescription, CVS told me that my insurance wouldn't cover it and it would cost $1500 for 30 pills. I walked away and then went back to buy it. If I could just get 30 additional minutes of billable time per day per pill it would be worth it. I took about 5 over a week and destroyed the rest. It wasn't good for anything but keep me awake in a semi-zombie low-creative state. This very expensive drug/lesson was effective and making me realize I need to seriously work on my impulse control.
- alostpuppy 2y ago
  That was a weird hype train when that happened around that one. I tried it and gained like 40 pounds.

mhb 2y ago

How would you feel if you were born with an unusual and detrimental somatic condition that could be fixed with medicine?

GZGavinZhao 2y ago
Updated, I should clarify that assuming no medical needs.
- mhb 2y ago
  It's a philosophical argument. There's a great Radiolab about this (if you can tolerate their banter). Man is acting weird and offensive. People treat him as you'd expect. Then it is discovered that he has a tumor that is causing his behavior. Now he receives sympathy and treatment. The point being that we all have different brain configurations which cause our behavior. Some we call tumors. Others are "normal". Your definition of "medical needs" is where the interesting meta-discussion takes place.

cedws 2y ago

This is the same line of thinking as "drug addicts should just stop doing drugs."

GZGavinZhao 2y ago
Apologies, I've updated to clarify that my comment is under the assumption that the host is not already under a non-natural influence or medical condition. For example, in the case if there is a medicine that would help drug addicts with their addiction I would be 100% for it.
- cedws 2y ago
  Even so. Food can evoke the same neurochemical response as hard drugs or sex for some people. It is even more readily available than either of those things, and it is advertised and produced by multinational conglomerates with huge advertising budgets. They have the resources to maximise the attractiveness of their products and optimise the way they taste to be as pleasurable to eat as possible. Usually that means filling them with terrible ingredients. It's not much different than social media. People get addicted to social media because they don't stand a chance against social media companies that employ an army of people to optimise every facet of their product for addictiveness. Modern lifestyles are more sendentary than they used to be, and that plays a part in the explosion of obesity, but so do the conglomerates that produce the junk food.
  - lm28469 2y ago
    I have the same reasoning but the opposite conclusion, we should seriously reconsider our lifestyle choices, as a society, instead of just throwing a magic pill in the mix and closing our eyes on the fact that we're building a completely insane system in which humans are everything but thriving
    - cedws 2y ago
      Ok cool, let me know how you plan to do that.

layer8 2y ago

Not as much as if such medicine weren’t available. ;)

furyofantares 2y ago

I guess people whose strengths and weaknesses differ from your own should feel like absolute failures then.