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> the government made virtually no attempt at competition > I guarantee the existing Verizon contract was not the result of a fair competition. Do you have ev

> the government made virtually no attempt at competition > I guarantee the existing Verizon contract was not the result of a fair competition. Do you have evidence for these claims? Legitimately curious. Government contracting is often very broken but you state this with a pretty extreme degree of confidence even in light of this.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
The attempt at competition was about options for launch capability. The US government was happy to sustain the prior situation of a few overpriced stagnant prime contractors for a long time - same with defense. It was hard to impossible for anyone else to enter that space and get attention (let alone money) from those making decisions. Regarding bidding. It is incredibly common for these decisions to be made in a way that rewards friends, family members, donors. The law requires a competitive process but it is often corrupted and only gives the appearance of a working process. The appeals are very expensive and time consuming so a lot of the time, it’s just not worth it. There’s not much you can do unless you’re a large company with lots of money.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Oh sorry I'm not talking about SpaceX launches. I'm asking about the FAA/Verizon situation. I don't think general vibes and challenges with winning billion dollar government contracts suffices as evidence for: "I guarantee the existing Verizon contract was not the result of a fair competition."
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    Nor is there sufficient evidence to claim the new administration is doing anything corrupt. They could just be taking the appropriate emergency measures. Or not. But it seems like different standards for evidence are being applied to different sides.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Okay so you actually cannot “guarantee” the prior contract’s award process was bad. And sure, we don’t know this change is corrupt. We do know that there is a very clear conflict of interest though, so people are reasonably demanding more transparency.
      - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
        No, there is no clear conflict of interest. You have no idea who exactly is making what decision or why. Stay consistent. Don’t back off your threshold for evidence now.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Yes, there very obviously IS a conflict of interest. “Conflict of interest” is not the same as “corrupt.” A person can have conflicted interests and still make totally valid, non-corrupt decisions. Even making a self-beneficial decision while having conflicted interests isn’t necessarily corrupt/bad. “Conflict of interest” refers to the interests themselves, which are very obviously unambiguously conflicted here. Government interests: spend as little money as possible for capability X Starlink interests: capture as much money as possible for capability X That’s a conflict regardless of what decision anyone makes and whether it was the right one.
        blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
        Who is “person”? As I said, you have no idea who exactly is making what decision or why. There may very well be zero conflict of interest.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        I mean… I guess you’re welcome to simply have faith that this particular contract is not being fiddled with by the same people (a slew of SpaceX’ers) as literally every other contract in the federal government despite those exact people entering FAA just a few days ago [1] but uh… I would bet money on it. Seems extremely wishful to think this particular contract isn’t being reviewed by someone with SpaceX equity (I.e. someone who is conflicted) alongside every other contract, but… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1: https://fedscoop.com/faa-aviation-safety-system-doge-notam/ https://fedscoop.com/faa-aviation-safety-system-doge-notam/

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

The attempt at competition was about options for launch capability. The US government was happy to sustain the prior situation of a few overpriced stagnant prime contractors for a long time - same with defense. It was hard to impossible for anyone else to enter that space and get attention (let alone money) from those making decisions. Regarding bidding. It is incredibly common for these decisions to be made in a way that rewards friends, family members, donors. The law requires a competitive process but it is often corrupted and only gives the appearance of a working process. The appeals are very expensive and time consuming so a lot of the time, it’s just not worth it. There’s not much you can do unless you’re a large company with lots of money.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Oh sorry I'm not talking about SpaceX launches. I'm asking about the FAA/Verizon situation. I don't think general vibes and challenges with winning billion dollar government contracts suffices as evidence for: "I guarantee the existing Verizon contract was not the result of a fair competition."
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  Nor is there sufficient evidence to claim the new administration is doing anything corrupt. They could just be taking the appropriate emergency measures. Or not. But it seems like different standards for evidence are being applied to different sides.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Okay so you actually cannot “guarantee” the prior contract’s award process was bad. And sure, we don’t know this change is corrupt. We do know that there is a very clear conflict of interest though, so people are reasonably demanding more transparency.
    - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
      No, there is no clear conflict of interest. You have no idea who exactly is making what decision or why. Stay consistent. Don’t back off your threshold for evidence now.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Yes, there very obviously IS a conflict of interest. “Conflict of interest” is not the same as “corrupt.” A person can have conflicted interests and still make totally valid, non-corrupt decisions. Even making a self-beneficial decision while having conflicted interests isn’t necessarily corrupt/bad. “Conflict of interest” refers to the interests themselves, which are very obviously unambiguously conflicted here. Government interests: spend as little money as possible for capability X Starlink interests: capture as much money as possible for capability X That’s a conflict regardless of what decision anyone makes and whether it was the right one.
        blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
        Who is “person”? As I said, you have no idea who exactly is making what decision or why. There may very well be zero conflict of interest.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        I mean… I guess you’re welcome to simply have faith that this particular contract is not being fiddled with by the same people (a slew of SpaceX’ers) as literally every other contract in the federal government despite those exact people entering FAA just a few days ago [1] but uh… I would bet money on it. Seems extremely wishful to think this particular contract isn’t being reviewed by someone with SpaceX equity (I.e. someone who is conflicted) alongside every other contract, but… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1: https://fedscoop.com/faa-aviation-safety-system-doge-notam/ https://fedscoop.com/faa-aviation-safety-system-doge-notam/