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Even if Ukraine starts winning, a nuclear strike by Putin would trigger a catastrophic response from NATO and the international community, causing mutual destru

Even if Ukraine starts winning, a nuclear strike by Putin would trigger a catastrophic response from NATO and the international community, causing mutual destruction. Furthermore, with your logic there is nothing stopping Russia from keep chipping away at Europe because everyone is afraid that Russia will use nuclear weapons. With that rational, you might as well annex the entirety of Europe and call it Russia because Europe wants peace.

lazyeye 2y ago
I'm not necessarily disagreeing but we also need to understand what the reality of nuclear war means in the modern era. https://youtu.be/za6tZB19E4c https://youtu.be/za6tZB19E4c
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Which is why we can't give in and establish that nuclear powers can do whatever they want. That way just leads to getting closer and closer to nuclear war with every country now having to have their own nukes, not further from the risk of nuclear annihilation.
  - lazyeye 2y ago
    I guess I'm more interested in the how rather than the why. The why is kind of a given. After Ukraine runs out of fodder for the meat-grinder (already on the verge of this now) who's children get sent to Ukraine? If we are not going to give Ukraine sufficient support to win the war, only prolong it, what is the timeline and the actual endgame? To be clear, I'm not supporting Russia, I'm asking in clear terms, what exactly should the response be?
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      Why are you moving the goalposts? I responded to your comment asking what if things go too good for Ukraine. Not sure how 'but what if things go bad' is a reasoned follow up on your part. : "What happens if Ukraine is given sufficient support to start winning and Putin decides to go nuclear? I don't want Russia to win either but we also have to operate in reality."
      - lazyeye 2y ago
        Not moving the goalposts at all. You completely side-stepped answering my question.

lazyeye 2y ago

I'm not necessarily disagreeing but we also need to understand what the reality of nuclear war means in the modern era. https://youtu.be/za6tZB19E4c https://youtu.be/za6tZB19E4c

_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Which is why we can't give in and establish that nuclear powers can do whatever they want. That way just leads to getting closer and closer to nuclear war with every country now having to have their own nukes, not further from the risk of nuclear annihilation.
- lazyeye 2y ago
  I guess I'm more interested in the how rather than the why. The why is kind of a given. After Ukraine runs out of fodder for the meat-grinder (already on the verge of this now) who's children get sent to Ukraine? If we are not going to give Ukraine sufficient support to win the war, only prolong it, what is the timeline and the actual endgame? To be clear, I'm not supporting Russia, I'm asking in clear terms, what exactly should the response be?
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Why are you moving the goalposts? I responded to your comment asking what if things go too good for Ukraine. Not sure how 'but what if things go bad' is a reasoned follow up on your part. : "What happens if Ukraine is given sufficient support to start winning and Putin decides to go nuclear? I don't want Russia to win either but we also have to operate in reality."
    - lazyeye 2y ago
      Not moving the goalposts at all. You completely side-stepped answering my question.