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You support DOGE's mission, but not a fan of this decision? Destroying 18F entirely consistent with DOGE's mission and Trump's goals. Why this decision then and

You support DOGE's mission, but not a fan of this decision? Destroying 18F entirely consistent with DOGE's mission and Trump's goals. Why this decision then and not all their other ones? You wrote a lot of words saying very little.

chrisfosterelli 2y ago
I'm just an outsider here but it seems very obvious to me that someone could both 1) support the (stated) mission of saving taxpayers' money and reducing the US national debt, and 2) disagree with a specific cut
- stouset 2y ago
  The stated mission is unavoidably at odds with the implementation. The gains to be had are pointlessly minuscule in comparison to the federal budget and the actual cost to Americans is extreme.
  - chrisfosterelli 2y ago
    I think you could make a reasonable argument that their actions aren't actually effective at implementing their mission. I'm not really in a position to judge that, personally. I was just saying I don't think it requires any great cognitive dissonance for GP to agree with their mission but disagree with a specific cut, as was sort of implied by the reply above. I generally like my own government but I similarly think they've made some serious blunders at times. I don't think that's a huge contradiction (I'm not American FWIW...)
- miltonlost 2y ago
  I guess it's the "Stated" mission that I find impossible to believe is the truth. DOGE clearly is not supposed to be about "saving tax payers money" when they include DEI reviews as well. So even your definition removes the baggage of the racism/transphobia/homophobia/misogyny by focusing only on the money when DOGE has not been focused solely on money in the slightest. Anyone who trusts the "stated" mission of DOGE is a simple child who hasn't followed project 2025
  - chrisfosterelli 2y ago
    Let's please avoid ad hominem here. I don't think that's contributing to the discussion in the spirit of HN.
Ancapistani 2y ago
I support DOGE’s stated mission - the elimination of redundancy and reform with an eye toward efficiency in general. Eliminating 18F does not fit into either of those categories. I believe it was eliminated because it was staffed with people who almost exclusively opposed the current administration’s agenda. This as a political decision. I’m trying to say that when I put myself in the position of Trump and his administration, I understand why 18F was cut, while simultaneously stating that my belief that 18F did good work and we’ll be worse off without them.

chrisfosterelli 2y ago

I'm just an outsider here but it seems very obvious to me that someone could both 1) support the (stated) mission of saving taxpayers' money and reducing the US national debt, and 2) disagree with a specific cut

stouset 2y ago
The stated mission is unavoidably at odds with the implementation. The gains to be had are pointlessly minuscule in comparison to the federal budget and the actual cost to Americans is extreme.
- chrisfosterelli 2y ago
  I think you could make a reasonable argument that their actions aren't actually effective at implementing their mission. I'm not really in a position to judge that, personally. I was just saying I don't think it requires any great cognitive dissonance for GP to agree with their mission but disagree with a specific cut, as was sort of implied by the reply above. I generally like my own government but I similarly think they've made some serious blunders at times. I don't think that's a huge contradiction (I'm not American FWIW...)
miltonlost 2y ago
I guess it's the "Stated" mission that I find impossible to believe is the truth. DOGE clearly is not supposed to be about "saving tax payers money" when they include DEI reviews as well. So even your definition removes the baggage of the racism/transphobia/homophobia/misogyny by focusing only on the money when DOGE has not been focused solely on money in the slightest. Anyone who trusts the "stated" mission of DOGE is a simple child who hasn't followed project 2025
- chrisfosterelli 2y ago
  Let's please avoid ad hominem here. I don't think that's contributing to the discussion in the spirit of HN.

Ancapistani 2y ago

I support DOGE’s stated mission - the elimination of redundancy and reform with an eye toward efficiency in general. Eliminating 18F does not fit into either of those categories. I believe it was eliminated because it was staffed with people who almost exclusively opposed the current administration’s agenda. This as a political decision. I’m trying to say that when I put myself in the position of Trump and his administration, I understand why 18F was cut, while simultaneously stating that my belief that 18F did good work and we’ll be worse off without them.