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What laws are being broken?

by tomcam 2y ago

asveikau 2y ago
Someone interested in filtering employees by union status seems highly suspicious to me that that someone is interested in breaking labor laws.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> What laws are being broken? In this specific case? Unclear. Will wait for the lawsuits. In the last weeks, the DOGE bros have broken the Privacy Act of 1974 [1] and numerous court orders [2]. [1] https://epic.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPIC-v-OPM-25-cv-255-complaint-021025.pdf https://epic.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPIC-v-OPM-25-cv... [2] https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/news/19-state-ags-file-suit-against-doge-treasury-access-judge-blocks-new-policy/ https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/news/19-state-ags-file-suit-a...
- slashdev 2y ago
  Given they have to be vetted the same way as any other government employee with that access, including security clearances, I’m not sure these will succeed. At least to my mind it’s not clear how a government employee can have access but for doge it’s breaking the law. The devil is in the specific details.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > they have to be vetted the same way as any other government employee with that access, including security clearances We know this wasn’t done when they were rummaging around the Treasury. Courts are granting restraining orders because the DOGE bros acted so incompetently. (It’s generally incredibly hard to restrain government employees.) > it’s not clear how a government employee can have access but for doge it’s breaking the law Same way a park ranger can’t walk onto a military base and start rummaging through documents. Or start tweeting them. (Or hell, the President himself tweet your tax return.)
    - slashdev 2y ago
      > We know this wasn’t done when they were rummaging around the Treasury. Sorry, do you have a source for that? Having trouble verifying it. I agree there are standard vetting and security clearances, and they should be followed.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Item 91 in the EPIC complaint [1], which was found to be sufficiently merited to permit a TRO. (It’s a legal filing. Allegations will always be couched.) [1] https://epic.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPIC-v-OPM-25-cv-255-complaint-021025.pdf https://epic.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPIC-v-OPM-25-cv...
  - jonahbenton 2y ago
    They were not vetted/bgchecked, full stop, and are not complying with any security controls. Doing my yearly fedgov security trainings while those fucks are yoloing with all classifications of sensitive data is, shall we say, bitterness inducing.
    - slashdev 2y ago
      That’s not what I heard. Do you have evidence for that?
- tomcam 2y ago
  These have not been adjudicated
gchamonlive 2y ago
https://www.oge.gov/web/oge.nsf/Resources/Analyzing+Potential+Conflicts+of+Interest https://www.oge.gov/web/oge.nsf/Resources/Analyzing+Potentia... Self-assessed conflict of interest is conflict of interest.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
Firing people on false pretenses (telling them they're being fired for poor performance when that wasn't the case and they're even being told by their overseers that it's not the case) breaks labor laws.

What laws are being broken?

by tomcam 2y ago

What laws are being broken?

Someone interested in filtering employees by union status seems highly suspicious to me that that someone is interested in breaking labor laws.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> What laws are being broken? In this specific case? Unclear. Will wait for the lawsuits. In the last weeks, the DOGE bros have broken the Privacy Act of 1974 [1] and numerous court orders [2]. [1] https://epic.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPIC-v-OPM-25-cv-255-complaint-021025.pdf https://epic.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPIC-v-OPM-25-cv... [2] https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/news/19-state-ags-file-suit-against-doge-treasury-access-judge-blocks-new-policy/ https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/news/19-state-ags-file-suit-a...

slashdev 2y ago
Given they have to be vetted the same way as any other government employee with that access, including security clearances, I’m not sure these will succeed. At least to my mind it’s not clear how a government employee can have access but for doge it’s breaking the law. The devil is in the specific details.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > they have to be vetted the same way as any other government employee with that access, including security clearances We know this wasn’t done when they were rummaging around the Treasury. Courts are granting restraining orders because the DOGE bros acted so incompetently. (It’s generally incredibly hard to restrain government employees.) > it’s not clear how a government employee can have access but for doge it’s breaking the law Same way a park ranger can’t walk onto a military base and start rummaging through documents. Or start tweeting them. (Or hell, the President himself tweet your tax return.)
  - slashdev 2y ago
    > We know this wasn’t done when they were rummaging around the Treasury. Sorry, do you have a source for that? Having trouble verifying it. I agree there are standard vetting and security clearances, and they should be followed.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      Item 91 in the EPIC complaint [1], which was found to be sufficiently merited to permit a TRO. (It’s a legal filing. Allegations will always be couched.) [1] https://epic.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPIC-v-OPM-25-cv-255-complaint-021025.pdf https://epic.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPIC-v-OPM-25-cv...
- jonahbenton 2y ago
  They were not vetted/bgchecked, full stop, and are not complying with any security controls. Doing my yearly fedgov security trainings while those fucks are yoloing with all classifications of sensitive data is, shall we say, bitterness inducing.
  - slashdev 2y ago
    That’s not what I heard. Do you have evidence for that?
tomcam 2y ago
These have not been adjudicated

gchamonlive 2y ago

https://www.oge.gov/web/oge.nsf/Resources/Analyzing+Potential+Conflicts+of+Interest https://www.oge.gov/web/oge.nsf/Resources/Analyzing+Potentia... Self-assessed conflict of interest is conflict of interest.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

Firing people on false pretenses (telling them they're being fired for poor performance when that wasn't the case and they're even being told by their overseers that it's not the case) breaks labor laws.