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Well I can tell you the Python code was written with the help of an AI

by anacrolix 2y ago

zarathustreal 2y ago
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- brookst 2y ago
  Yeah it’s like looking at text and saying “oh they used a word processor”.
  - MobiusHorizons 2y ago
    not really, unless your word processor outputs significant portions of text for you
    - lesuorac 2y ago
      Really not sure where this tangent is going but looking at hypothetical text it can be pretty obvious that various word processors were used. Like if an email has the same font/etc as google doc then it's pretty obvious they wrote it in a doc and then copy-paste it.
      - TeaBrain 2y ago
        They were making the point that using a word processor as a tool isn't the same as having an LLM write something, then retain the LLM generated changes such that it is immediately obvious the bulk of the code was generated by an LLM, not that it isn't possible to discern whether someone is using a word processor.
    - brookst 2y ago
      No, it just does the layout, not the text. Much like LLMs do the code tokens but not the goal. Abstraction in all things, and automation of the lower levels does not devalue the higher levels (that is, a traffic sign works the same regardless if hand painted or commercially printed).
- MobiusHorizons 2y ago
  What do you mean? I don't write code with AI because figuring out how to code things is not what takes a lot of time in my job. That's the fun bit, why would I automate it? What takes time is coming to alignment with the team on what problem we are solving, figuring out what is possible, and aligning on a solution based on the available tradeoffs. Is there some way AI is supposed to be able to help me with that?
- lionkor 2y ago
  It's a skill issue if your code looks like AI code, regardless of whether you used AI or not.
- deleted 2y ago
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- nozzlegear 2y ago
  > If you’re not writing code with the help of an AI honestly that’s a skill issue in itself Making statements like this one is a skill issue all on its own.

Well I can tell you the Python code was written with the help of an AI

zarathustreal 2y ago

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brookst 2y ago
Yeah it’s like looking at text and saying “oh they used a word processor”.
- MobiusHorizons 2y ago
  not really, unless your word processor outputs significant portions of text for you
  - lesuorac 2y ago
    Really not sure where this tangent is going but looking at hypothetical text it can be pretty obvious that various word processors were used. Like if an email has the same font/etc as google doc then it's pretty obvious they wrote it in a doc and then copy-paste it.
    - TeaBrain 2y ago
      They were making the point that using a word processor as a tool isn't the same as having an LLM write something, then retain the LLM generated changes such that it is immediately obvious the bulk of the code was generated by an LLM, not that it isn't possible to discern whether someone is using a word processor.
  - brookst 2y ago
    No, it just does the layout, not the text. Much like LLMs do the code tokens but not the goal. Abstraction in all things, and automation of the lower levels does not devalue the higher levels (that is, a traffic sign works the same regardless if hand painted or commercially printed).
MobiusHorizons 2y ago
What do you mean? I don't write code with AI because figuring out how to code things is not what takes a lot of time in my job. That's the fun bit, why would I automate it? What takes time is coming to alignment with the team on what problem we are solving, figuring out what is possible, and aligning on a solution based on the available tradeoffs. Is there some way AI is supposed to be able to help me with that?
lionkor 2y ago
It's a skill issue if your code looks like AI code, regardless of whether you used AI or not.
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nozzlegear 2y ago
> If you’re not writing code with the help of an AI honestly that’s a skill issue in itself Making statements like this one is a skill issue all on its own.