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Would Sweden want to pay for France’s nukes when the next president of France is very likely far right?

lukan 2y ago
Since sweden (and germany) might become a far right government in some years as well, I would say, this is a seperate, but related issue. The last we want, are Nazis with nukes on top of it all.
- binarno_sp 2y ago
  I'd argue that the Nazi with nukes may soon be the US.
  - skinkestek 2y ago
    Facists, not nazis. If they don't hate Jews it isn't nazism, just ordinary facism. Also russia already beat the us to becoming nuclear armed facists.
    - wood_spirit 2y ago
      Who invaded Ukraine to denazify it and it’s Jewish president
      - skinkestek 2y ago
        russian facists.
    - aisenik 2y ago
      Evangelical American Zionism hates Jewish people with a thin facade of support. A disturbingly large amount of Americans believe that it's prophecy and God's will that the Middle East be "cleansed in fire" and that Israel's role as the Jewish state is an essential part of the plan. It is the same support a farmer offers to pigs when they fill their trough with slop. They want Israel so they can see its destruction through nuclear war. It is a disgusting viewpoint and essential to understanding American Zionist support of Israel. My (lifelong far-right conservative jack-Mormon) father shared this with me 25 years ago.
- kavenkanum 2y ago
  The Nazis are in US now....
lm28469 2y ago
It's far from "very likely", it's split in three groups of equal size and more people will lean left than far right, especially now
smcin 2y ago
It's not all "very likely" the next president of France would be far right. The 2024 French legislative (not Presidential) snap election was Macron calling the electorate's bluff that even though they disliked low growth, carbon taxes, inflation, unemployment, immigration, they still wouldn't vote for a FN govt (in the second round; view the first round as a protest vote where some voters for FN are tactically expressing discontent with the govt). The 2027 French presidential election is a long way away yet and Polymarket doesn't even have a prediction market open for it yet, but Oddschecker puts Le Pen as frontrunner but not "very likely"; and that's before Bayrou emerges as Macron's successor [0]. Macron stands to gain a lot of influence in Europe if he can forge a good relationship with Germany's Merz. Anyway, obviously a European nuclear deterrent would have to firewall against any of the large member-states or their leaders going rogue. Rutte and NATO haven't commented publicly yet on Trump's recent stance. See what happens at the next G7 summit in Canada, 6/2025. And of course the Ukraine settlement and who provides security guarantees for it. [0]: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/french-politics/french-presidential-election-2027 https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/frenc...

Since sweden (and germany) might become a far right government in some years as well, I would say, this is a seperate, but related issue. The last we want, are Nazis with nukes on top of it all.

binarno_sp 2y ago
I'd argue that the Nazi with nukes may soon be the US.
- skinkestek 2y ago
  Facists, not nazis. If they don't hate Jews it isn't nazism, just ordinary facism. Also russia already beat the us to becoming nuclear armed facists.
  - wood_spirit 2y ago
    Who invaded Ukraine to denazify it and it’s Jewish president
    - skinkestek 2y ago
      russian facists.
  - aisenik 2y ago
    Evangelical American Zionism hates Jewish people with a thin facade of support. A disturbingly large amount of Americans believe that it's prophecy and God's will that the Middle East be "cleansed in fire" and that Israel's role as the Jewish state is an essential part of the plan. It is the same support a farmer offers to pigs when they fill their trough with slop. They want Israel so they can see its destruction through nuclear war. It is a disgusting viewpoint and essential to understanding American Zionist support of Israel. My (lifelong far-right conservative jack-Mormon) father shared this with me 25 years ago.
kavenkanum 2y ago
The Nazis are in US now....

lm28469 2y ago

It's far from "very likely", it's split in three groups of equal size and more people will lean left than far right, especially now

smcin 2y ago

It's not all "very likely" the next president of France would be far right. The 2024 French legislative (not Presidential) snap election was Macron calling the electorate's bluff that even though they disliked low growth, carbon taxes, inflation, unemployment, immigration, they still wouldn't vote for a FN govt (in the second round; view the first round as a protest vote where some voters for FN are tactically expressing discontent with the govt). The 2027 French presidential election is a long way away yet and Polymarket doesn't even have a prediction market open for it yet, but Oddschecker puts Le Pen as frontrunner but not "very likely"; and that's before Bayrou emerges as Macron's successor [0]. Macron stands to gain a lot of influence in Europe if he can forge a good relationship with Germany's Merz. Anyway, obviously a European nuclear deterrent would have to firewall against any of the large member-states or their leaders going rogue. Rutte and NATO haven't commented publicly yet on Trump's recent stance. See what happens at the next G7 summit in Canada, 6/2025. And of course the Ukraine settlement and who provides security guarantees for it. [0]: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/french-politics/french-presidential-election-2027 https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/frenc...