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I chose firefox because I don’t want my browser to build an ad network to sell targeted ads. And I definitely don't want this: > You give Mozilla the rights n

I chose firefox because I don’t want my browser to build an ad network to sell targeted ads. And I definitely don't want this: > You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content. [0] [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/#you-give-mozilla-certain-rights-and-permissions https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/#you...

ttpphd 2y ago
Exactly. Why is my browser serving me advertising in the first place? Because Mozilla is an advertising company now.
- KingOfCoders 2y ago
  Yes, ad first company, with a browser product to capture ad audience.
- brookst 2y ago
  There are only two ways to generate revenue: direct and indirect. Nobody will pay for a browser. I don’t use Firefox and this whole thing is distasteful, but I’m not sure how they’re supposed to cover operating expenses without indirect monetization, or what for of indirect other than ads would work.
  - yencabulator 2y ago
    In the meanwhile, people are asking how to donate to Firefox not to Mozilla and it's CEOs whims and personal salary.
  - inetknght 2y ago
    > Nobody will pay for a browser. Speak for yourself. Give me a browser that clearly and unambiguously does not sell my usage of it in any way, and I will give you a monthly subscription.
    - brookst 2y ago
      Well yeah and I do pay for Kagi but would still say “nobody will pay for a search engine” using “nobody” in the “not enough people to scale a mass market business” sense.
    - ukuina 2y ago
      Horse Browser? https://gethorse.com https://gethorse.com
      - papascrubs 2y ago
        Built on top of chrome (electron actually). Same issues as every other chrome form. Also, doesn't support extensions.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    > There are only two ways to generate revenue: direct and indirect. Nobody will pay for a browser. There's a third way: screw revenue, dump all staff not related to browser development and documentation (MDN) and look for government grants to fund that. Especially the EU may be a target for a well-written proposal, given the political atmosphere it would make sense to have at least one browser engine that is not fundamentally tied to the US and its plethora of bullshit like NSLs.
  - zecg 2y ago
    > Nobody will pay for a browser. I would, if they offered a payment-only access to Firefox with no added services and no telemetry whatsoever. I'd pay 50€ a year for that.
brookst 2y ago
It’s a weird term, but I’m not sure how “for the purpose of doing as you request” is terrible. To me that means that when you type a url, they have the right to do a DNS lookup for it. Is there some interpretation where “for the purpose of doing as you request” means any purpose they want?
- Wilduck 2y ago
  The problem is that I'm not requesting Mozilla do anything. Firefox isn't a "service" it's a web browser. When I input a seach query, _I_ am acting on my behalf, not Mozilla. I don't want any language where they get to insert themselves into that chain of behavior. Curl doesn't need a TOS, why does Firefox?
  - skydhash 2y ago
    Very much this. The browser already have all the features to do what I want it to do. Why does Mozilla insists of being a middleman? It's my computer, Firefox code, and someone's server.
  - cassianoleal 2y ago
    I agree. The very fact that they added a Terms of Service is weird. I don't want Firefox to be a service in any way. It's a tool. When I drill a hole in my wall, DeWalt don't tell anyone who I am, how large a hole it is, what material I drilled into or even the fact that I actually drilled anything. They don't know any of that, and neither should Mozilla know when my local copy of the browser makes a DNS, HTTP or any other request.
- account42 2y ago
  And they should use the system DNS services for that, not their own partners.
EasyMark 2y ago
this is why I use librewolf
yencabulator 2y ago
And I chose Librewolf because I didn't want that, either.

ttpphd 2y ago

Exactly. Why is my browser serving me advertising in the first place? Because Mozilla is an advertising company now.

KingOfCoders 2y ago
Yes, ad first company, with a browser product to capture ad audience.
brookst 2y ago
There are only two ways to generate revenue: direct and indirect. Nobody will pay for a browser. I don’t use Firefox and this whole thing is distasteful, but I’m not sure how they’re supposed to cover operating expenses without indirect monetization, or what for of indirect other than ads would work.
- yencabulator 2y ago
  In the meanwhile, people are asking how to donate to Firefox not to Mozilla and it's CEOs whims and personal salary.
- inetknght 2y ago
  > Nobody will pay for a browser. Speak for yourself. Give me a browser that clearly and unambiguously does not sell my usage of it in any way, and I will give you a monthly subscription.
  - brookst 2y ago
    Well yeah and I do pay for Kagi but would still say “nobody will pay for a search engine” using “nobody” in the “not enough people to scale a mass market business” sense.
  - ukuina 2y ago
    Horse Browser? https://gethorse.com https://gethorse.com
    - papascrubs 2y ago
      Built on top of chrome (electron actually). Same issues as every other chrome form. Also, doesn't support extensions.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > There are only two ways to generate revenue: direct and indirect. Nobody will pay for a browser. There's a third way: screw revenue, dump all staff not related to browser development and documentation (MDN) and look for government grants to fund that. Especially the EU may be a target for a well-written proposal, given the political atmosphere it would make sense to have at least one browser engine that is not fundamentally tied to the US and its plethora of bullshit like NSLs.
- zecg 2y ago
  > Nobody will pay for a browser. I would, if they offered a payment-only access to Firefox with no added services and no telemetry whatsoever. I'd pay 50€ a year for that.

brookst 2y ago

It’s a weird term, but I’m not sure how “for the purpose of doing as you request” is terrible. To me that means that when you type a url, they have the right to do a DNS lookup for it. Is there some interpretation where “for the purpose of doing as you request” means any purpose they want?

Wilduck 2y ago
The problem is that I'm not requesting Mozilla do anything. Firefox isn't a "service" it's a web browser. When I input a seach query, _I_ am acting on my behalf, not Mozilla. I don't want any language where they get to insert themselves into that chain of behavior. Curl doesn't need a TOS, why does Firefox?
- skydhash 2y ago
  Very much this. The browser already have all the features to do what I want it to do. Why does Mozilla insists of being a middleman? It's my computer, Firefox code, and someone's server.
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  I agree. The very fact that they added a Terms of Service is weird. I don't want Firefox to be a service in any way. It's a tool. When I drill a hole in my wall, DeWalt don't tell anyone who I am, how large a hole it is, what material I drilled into or even the fact that I actually drilled anything. They don't know any of that, and neither should Mozilla know when my local copy of the browser makes a DNS, HTTP or any other request.
account42 2y ago
And they should use the system DNS services for that, not their own partners.

EasyMark 2y ago

this is why I use librewolf

yencabulator 2y ago

And I chose Librewolf because I didn't want that, either.