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I feel like there _is_ some daylight between what people hear when someone says "Firefox is selling your data" and, for example, Firefox using your IP address t
by rtpg 2y ago
I feel like there _is_ some daylight between what people hear when someone says "Firefox is selling your data" and, for example, Firefox using your IP address to put you in a rough country-level geoblock to determine whether to show you an ad that was sold to all users in a country.
Yet the second one, which I think would be very much considered close to harmless from my perspective (compared to an alternative of "an ad is shown to everyone across the world"), would, I think, still fit into this metric of your data being sold.
Though maybe I'm misinterpreting what the CCPA's breadth would be.
I have been a bit disillusioned by FF for some time, and would like for them to figure out some version of a business model in order to survive, and so we can know the contours of that business model. Trying to play "we do not do business things at all" with them constantly shipping weird ad-ful features and stuff like Pocket... let's see if we can make this honest!
- drpossum 2y ago> let's see if we can make this honest! They're beholden to who gives them money, which is not us.
- rtpg 2y agoIt could be us, either directly with money, or even just indirectly by “being the product” but being able to just walk away. FF exists off of good will and the search deal. The more people stop using the browser the less they’re going to pull in from the deal.
- drpossum 2y ago> FF exists off of good will and the search deal Firefox exists off of google and their antitrust deal.
- eps 2y ago> Firefox using your IP address ... to show you an ad Why do you imply that Firefox showing ads is acceptable ?
- kehrin 2y agoThey have been doing for at least a decade by now (e.g Amazon). So why imply it suddenly isn’t acceptable to show ads (in any form)?
- inetknght 2y ago> They have been doing for at least a decade by now (e.g Amazon). So why imply it suddenly isn’t acceptable to show ads (in any form)? Because it isn't acceptable. The first thing I've done (for years now) when configuring Firefox is to turn off many of the defaults. Advertisements, pocket, search engine, online spell checker, translator, blah blah blah.
- rtpg 2y agoI mean they integrated pocket right? They sold the default search engine position for billions. That’s something! Not all money making efforts are created equal, though. We judge based on what the effort is in context!
- 0xFEE1DEAD 2y agoI chose firefox because I don’t want my browser to build an ad network to sell targeted ads. And I definitely don't want this: > You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content. [0] [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/#you-give-mozilla-certain-rights-and-permissions https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/#you...
- ttpphd 2y agoExactly. Why is my browser serving me advertising in the first place? Because Mozilla is an advertising company now.
- KingOfCoders 2y agoYes, ad first company, with a browser product to capture ad audience.
- brookst 2y agoThere are only two ways to generate revenue: direct and indirect. Nobody will pay for a browser. I don’t use Firefox and this whole thing is distasteful, but I’m not sure how they’re supposed to cover operating expenses without indirect monetization, or what for of indirect other than ads would work.
- yencabulator 2y agoIn the meanwhile, people are asking how to donate to Firefox not to Mozilla and it's CEOs whims and personal salary.
- inetknght 2y ago> Nobody will pay for a browser. Speak for yourself. Give me a browser that clearly and unambiguously does not sell my usage of it in any way, and I will give you a monthly subscription.