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My country was invaded many times. We have lost some chunk of land which we can't get back unless there is all out war with countless life lost. We are third wo

by hyuh56 2y ago

My country was invaded many times. We have lost some chunk of land which we can't get back unless there is all out war with countless life lost. We are third world country we don't have backing of US to continue a prolonged war.

donmcronald 2y ago
And the US thinks that’s ok. They want Ukraine to give up the territory Russia took by force. Everyone else wants Russia to respect the agreed upon borders.
- hyuh56 2y ago
  Russia is not going to give up that territory. Are europeans to go war with Russia. Unless that happens only ukraines would get slaughtered. While USA and European military industrial complex would profit.
  - levanten 2y ago
    You are advocating for giving in to the bully in the hopes that they will stop bothering you. The reality is that the bully will never stop, Russia’s aim is total annexation of Ukraine. Making peace without proper guarantees would be to ensure more Ukrainian people will die in the future.
    - hyuh56 2y ago
      For palestine israel is the bully. Are you advocating for continued terrorism in hopes to make israel bend the knee?
prox 2y ago
I am sorry to hear that and I do feel that. Ukraine is special because it’s so close to Europe, and many countries on the border feel they could be next (the Baltics, Poland) The inequality in the world is staggering, and Trumps administration will only make it worse. We need people to come together and help eachother out, and the autocrats and warmongers make this very difficult.
- hyuh56 2y ago
  Sorry but europe would be the warmonger here. Trump surprisingly seems to want end war. If my country started a war with my neighbour, the Europeans, USA would have urged us to stop it and make a peace deal. Would blame us for starting a war on silly issues, our culture etc. The west should do the same make peace not war.
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    That is what the rest of the west tried to do with Russia.
    - hyuh56 2y ago
      Then they should be happy with Trump who also seems to want to end the war. Considering US was always a war machine this change is surprising.
    - DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
      That's exactly the opposite of what the West has been doing to Russia since at least 1993. The by far most egregious offense having been the utter disrespect shown to the CFE treaty. Also not a single leader on Ukraine's side (until Trump) but even tried negotiating with Putin beyond Zelensky's 10-point "peace plan". The only exception being Zelensky himself during the Istanbul negotiations. They asked Russia to retreat from Kyiv to "enable" those negotiations and after Russia did so, for yet unknown reason Ukraine withdrew and refused to engage in any further negotiations.
      - Paradigma11 2y ago
        You mean the 60km convoy that stranded without gas because they thought they could refuel in Kyiv?
        DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
        They've built a pipeline real fast, tho. Couldn't have expected you need to put any fuel into it before something comes out. At least the riot shields were put to good use, right?

by hyuh56 2y ago

donmcronald 2y ago

And the US thinks that’s ok. They want Ukraine to give up the territory Russia took by force. Everyone else wants Russia to respect the agreed upon borders.

hyuh56 2y ago
Russia is not going to give up that territory. Are europeans to go war with Russia. Unless that happens only ukraines would get slaughtered. While USA and European military industrial complex would profit.
- levanten 2y ago
  You are advocating for giving in to the bully in the hopes that they will stop bothering you. The reality is that the bully will never stop, Russia’s aim is total annexation of Ukraine. Making peace without proper guarantees would be to ensure more Ukrainian people will die in the future.
  - hyuh56 2y ago
    For palestine israel is the bully. Are you advocating for continued terrorism in hopes to make israel bend the knee?

prox 2y ago

I am sorry to hear that and I do feel that. Ukraine is special because it’s so close to Europe, and many countries on the border feel they could be next (the Baltics, Poland) The inequality in the world is staggering, and Trumps administration will only make it worse. We need people to come together and help eachother out, and the autocrats and warmongers make this very difficult.

hyuh56 2y ago
Sorry but europe would be the warmonger here. Trump surprisingly seems to want end war. If my country started a war with my neighbour, the Europeans, USA would have urged us to stop it and make a peace deal. Would blame us for starting a war on silly issues, our culture etc. The west should do the same make peace not war.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  That is what the rest of the west tried to do with Russia.
  - hyuh56 2y ago
    Then they should be happy with Trump who also seems to want to end the war. Considering US was always a war machine this change is surprising.
  - DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
    That's exactly the opposite of what the West has been doing to Russia since at least 1993. The by far most egregious offense having been the utter disrespect shown to the CFE treaty. Also not a single leader on Ukraine's side (until Trump) but even tried negotiating with Putin beyond Zelensky's 10-point "peace plan". The only exception being Zelensky himself during the Istanbul negotiations. They asked Russia to retreat from Kyiv to "enable" those negotiations and after Russia did so, for yet unknown reason Ukraine withdrew and refused to engage in any further negotiations.
    - Paradigma11 2y ago
      You mean the 60km convoy that stranded without gas because they thought they could refuel in Kyiv?
      - DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
        They've built a pipeline real fast, tho. Couldn't have expected you need to put any fuel into it before something comes out. At least the riot shields were put to good use, right?