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Regardless of whether there is a drawn up agreement, still the expansion of NATO to the Russian borders is putting pressure on Russia I would assume, and can ca
by gitaarik 2y ago
Regardless of whether there is a drawn up agreement, still the expansion of NATO to the Russian borders is putting pressure on Russia I would assume, and can cause conflicts.
But yeah it would certainly help if they would make the agreement more official.
- defrost 2y ago> if they would make the agreement more official. It's not an agreement if its a thirty year old unconfirmed one sided report of an off record discussion. Has anybody on the NATO side from the time reported this being talked about? Were any drafts of an actual agreement ever drawn up and leaked?
- gitaarik 2y agoIt's not only a narrative of Russia, there are also Americans like Jeffrey Sachs saying this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9x5E0ETyv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9x5E0ETyv8 And recently two Trump administration officials also brought this up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQknBjzMnds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQknBjzMnds
- jopsen 2y agoRussia is, was and won't be at risk of being invaded by NATO. That's pure fantasy. NATO is a defensive alliance.
- gitaarik 2y agoWell maybe that is what they say they are but maybe there is more going on, and I can imagine that Russia might consider that.
- SiempreViernes 2y agoThe trouble with this assertion is that it discounts Russia fantasies as unimportant, when in fact fantasies are the basis for all defense planning. And it's not that hard to see why a military alliance created to counter Russian power would be the subject of Russian nightmares.
- jopsen 2y agoBy that logic we should surrender because Russia has nukes and say they are willing to use them. Or we should develop secret nuke capabilities and launch a first strike. Russia lies extensively. We can't moderate our behavior based on their irrationel fears.
- GoblinSlayer 2y agoVietnam war started for defensive reasons.
- henrikschroder 2y agoNobody wants to invade Russia. The only reason Russia and Putin are opposed to NATO expansion is because it stops them from being able to bully their neighbours. Calling that "putting pressure on Russia" is crazy.
- gitaarik 2y agoOk, but now we have a war going on for 3 years, and there is a threat for WW3, is that nice?
- henrikschroder 2y agoRussia started the war by invading Ukraine. Russia can end the war any time they want by simply moving all of their troops out of Ukraine and back behind their border. Any concession to Russia means we are saying that it's ok for nuclear-armed states to invade their neighbours at will, and to expand their territory at will, because "oh no, ww3!". That is unacceptable. That is unjust. There is exactly one guilty party in this conflict, and it is not Ukraine. We do not appease dictators who invade their neighbours.
- gitaarik 2y agoBefore I started delving into this topic, I also thought that Russia was just doing this because they are a crazy war machine. But after I looked into the history of it, I can understand better that Russia does have some reasons to feel threatened by NATO. And yeah, if you threaten a country, you can expect conflict. We should rather go into conversation with Russia instead of ignoring their perspective and continue with things causing conflicts with them.
- henrikschroder 2y ago> you can expect conflict. Ok, so who started the war?
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- bjoli 2y agoAre you surprised a country with Russia as it's neighbour wants to join NATO? Especially since it has been an important part of the defense of the European union. Putin has been stuck in the cold war since forever. His expansionist ideals have been visible since forever.