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Divisive? Bellicose? Flames? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a less divisive thread than this one, having read _hundreds_ of comments in this thread. There is vir

by quink 2y ago

Divisive? Bellicose? Flames? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a less divisive thread than this one, having read _hundreds_ of comments in this thread. There is virtually no flame war going on here and opinions are fairly uniform on the matter at hand. It’s more incendiary for this pretty civil discussion to be called divisive when there’s hardly any evidence that it is. The comments I most disagree with are all about appeasement, which is in my opinion misguided and coming from a place of saving lives (even if all the evidence is there in practice that it won't in the long run), rather than actively malicious.

dang 2y ago
I'm glad to hear it! but that's in part because I spent hours paying close attention to this thread and moderating it. I've copied a sample of links below. It's not enough to just turn off the flags on these things and let them run on the frontpage—it takes active engagement to keep discussion (on a topic like this) from going off the rails. I say 'in part' because by far more important is that the bulk of the community is on board with the guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). We can only make a difference around the edges. But those edges get pretty bad, and without moderation, some of the worst comments can easily turn into tire fires that end up dominating the thread. I wish this were inessential and superfluous because it would be so much less work! But that's where we're are. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43214243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43214243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213259 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213259 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213210 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213210 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212604
- quink 2y ago
  > I spent hours paying close attention to this thread and moderating it And we thank you for it… but it also does strengthen the argument that it should be higher up exactly because you’ll want to get the most value out of the evident hard work you, and the others, including the very people you’ve called out who frequently apologise, revise, and add some context to why they felt that way, have done here. It is a better, denser, broader and more considered sort of discussion than you find on reddit or Lemmy, it is confined to a single thread on a big matter, and it features excellent moderation work (and people being responsive to being called out more than even your typical economics post) - it should stand proudly. Moving it down more expediently because it is more divisive on average, I’ll admit that, does us all a disservice in my opinion.

by quink 2y ago

dang 2y ago

I'm glad to hear it! but that's in part because I spent hours paying close attention to this thread and moderating it. I've copied a sample of links below. It's not enough to just turn off the flags on these things and let them run on the frontpage—it takes active engagement to keep discussion (on a topic like this) from going off the rails. I say 'in part' because by far more important is that the bulk of the community is on board with the guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). We can only make a difference around the edges. But those edges get pretty bad, and without moderation, some of the worst comments can easily turn into tire fires that end up dominating the thread. I wish this were inessential and superfluous because it would be so much less work! But that's where we're are. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43214243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43214243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213259 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213259 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213210 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213210 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212604

quink 2y ago
> I spent hours paying close attention to this thread and moderating it And we thank you for it… but it also does strengthen the argument that it should be higher up exactly because you’ll want to get the most value out of the evident hard work you, and the others, including the very people you’ve called out who frequently apologise, revise, and add some context to why they felt that way, have done here. It is a better, denser, broader and more considered sort of discussion than you find on reddit or Lemmy, it is confined to a single thread on a big matter, and it features excellent moderation work (and people being responsive to being called out more than even your typical economics post) - it should stand proudly. Moving it down more expediently because it is more divisive on average, I’ll admit that, does us all a disservice in my opinion.