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While I think that resigning is stupid here, asserting that "punishment doesn't deter crime" is just absurd. It does!

by slibhb 2y ago

AdieuToLogic 2y ago
> While I think that resigning is stupid here, asserting that "punishment doesn't deter crime" is just absurd. It does! Punishment does not deter crime. The threat of punishment does to a degree. IOW, most people will be unaware of a person being sent to prison for years until and unless they have committed a similar offense. But everyone is aware of repercussions possible should they violate known criminal laws.
- TZubiri 2y ago
  My grandmother used to say that arguing about an idea is the ultimate concession. If the topic becomes questioning century old traditions like jails, taxes, or war, like we're about to revolutionaze humankind, I'm out.
mirashii 2y ago
The overwhelming majority of evidence suggests otherwise. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/crime-and-punishment/201804/why-punishment-doesnt-reduce-crime https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/crime-and-punishment... https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2020/07/do-harsher-punishments-deter-crime https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2020/07/do-harsher-pun... https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/economics/do-harsh-punishments-deter-crime-research-sheds-light-question https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/economics/do-harsh-punishmen...
- TZubiri 2y ago
  When I was younger I used to be much more influentiable, now you just can't change my mind, I made it up for good thank you. And it pays off in cases like this, I'll be talking with someone about a topic like the seriousness of a vulnerability, they disagree, that's fine no need to convince me, you won't. And then it turns out they're left-leaning abolitionists who are against the idea of jails. Many such cases, on the other hand I'll be disagreeing with someone on business strategy, and two lines later they reveal that they think taxation is theft. I can rest easy and ignore them.
  - otterley 2y ago
    > now you just can't change my mind, I made it up for good thank you Respectfully, that’s not a very “hacker” way of seeing the world. Hackers learn from their mistakes and adapt. (Just like this software company is doing.)

While I think that resigning is stupid here, asserting that "punishment doesn't deter crime" is just absurd. It does!

by slibhb 2y ago

While I think that resigning is stupid here, asserting that "punishment doesn't deter crime" is just absurd. It does!

> While I think that resigning is stupid here, asserting that "punishment doesn't deter crime" is just absurd. It does! Punishment does not deter crime. The threat of punishment does to a degree. IOW, most people will be unaware of a person being sent to prison for years until and unless they have committed a similar offense. But everyone is aware of repercussions possible should they violate known criminal laws.

TZubiri 2y ago
My grandmother used to say that arguing about an idea is the ultimate concession. If the topic becomes questioning century old traditions like jails, taxes, or war, like we're about to revolutionaze humankind, I'm out.

mirashii 2y ago

The overwhelming majority of evidence suggests otherwise. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/crime-and-punishment/201804/why-punishment-doesnt-reduce-crime https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/crime-and-punishment... https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2020/07/do-harsher-punishments-deter-crime https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2020/07/do-harsher-pun... https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/economics/do-harsh-punishments-deter-crime-research-sheds-light-question https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/economics/do-harsh-punishmen...

TZubiri 2y ago
When I was younger I used to be much more influentiable, now you just can't change my mind, I made it up for good thank you. And it pays off in cases like this, I'll be talking with someone about a topic like the seriousness of a vulnerability, they disagree, that's fine no need to convince me, you won't. And then it turns out they're left-leaning abolitionists who are against the idea of jails. Many such cases, on the other hand I'll be disagreeing with someone on business strategy, and two lines later they reveal that they think taxation is theft. I can rest easy and ignore them.
- otterley 2y ago
  > now you just can't change my mind, I made it up for good thank you Respectfully, that’s not a very “hacker” way of seeing the world. Hackers learn from their mistakes and adapt. (Just like this software company is doing.)