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> Windows that set us up for web based services (eventually) ...and then .NET and SQL Server started shipping for Linux.

chupasaurus 2y ago
There are 2 decades between those 2 points, .NET was -4 y.o. at the first one.
tharkun__ 2y ago
SQL Server is really Sybase tho, which was always capable of running on UNIX. Can't say much more, but I worked on a huge (internal) Sybase ASE on Linux based app (you've _all_ bought products administered on this app ;) ) way back (yes, pre-SSD, multi path fiber I/O to get things fast, failover etc.) and T-SQL is really nice, as is/was ASE and the replication server. Been about 20 years tho, so who knows.
- icedchai 2y ago
  I used to work at a Sybase shop in the late 90's. It was way nicer to work with than Oracle!
- p_ing 2y ago
  SQL Server uses NT and Win32 APIs, so the SQL team built a platform independent layer. Meaning NT and Win32 is still used by SQL on Linux. It’s pretty cool tech. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/blog/2016/12/16/sql-server-on-linux-how-introduction/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/blog/2016/12/16/s...
- pimeys 2y ago
  I worked with SQL Server a bit, writing a Rust client for it back in the days. The manual is really good, explaining the protocol clearly. That made it really easy to write a client for it. Can't say the same for Oracle...
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Only if you are speaking about SQL Server 7 and earlier, meaning around 2002. Microsoft SQL Server has long stop being Sybase SQL Server, and works on Linux by making use of Drawbridge. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/blog/2016/12/16/sql-server-on-linux-how-introduction/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/blog/2016/12/16/s...
  - tharkun__ 2y ago
    Of course, that's fair. I guess wording wise for my comment, the "Hah, they didn't actually write that themselves, they just bought the Sybase rights to everything license" got the better of me :) To be fair again, from what I hear, SQL server at Microsoft did some nice things on top of Sybase but the base, T-SQL, is just nice overall and by itself. I really want to like Postgres (and I do) but some of the awesome things I had with actual Sybase ASE 20+ years ago, Postgres still does not have. And that was a piece of software that had those features I loved for 10+ years prior to when I started working with it. The app we're talking of here was 15 years old when I worked on it 20+ years ago and it's probably still around and very probably still uses Sybase ASE (tho the actual app was converted from Smalltalk to Java ;) I also later on had to use Oracle and had the same "WTF? You can't do that?" experience :shrug:

chupasaurus 2y ago

There are 2 decades between those 2 points, .NET was -4 y.o. at the first one.

tharkun__ 2y ago

SQL Server is really Sybase tho, which was always capable of running on UNIX. Can't say much more, but I worked on a huge (internal) Sybase ASE on Linux based app (you've _all_ bought products administered on this app ;) ) way back (yes, pre-SSD, multi path fiber I/O to get things fast, failover etc.) and T-SQL is really nice, as is/was ASE and the replication server. Been about 20 years tho, so who knows.

icedchai 2y ago
I used to work at a Sybase shop in the late 90's. It was way nicer to work with than Oracle!
p_ing 2y ago
SQL Server uses NT and Win32 APIs, so the SQL team built a platform independent layer. Meaning NT and Win32 is still used by SQL on Linux. It’s pretty cool tech. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/blog/2016/12/16/sql-server-on-linux-how-introduction/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/blog/2016/12/16/s...
pimeys 2y ago
I worked with SQL Server a bit, writing a Rust client for it back in the days. The manual is really good, explaining the protocol clearly. That made it really easy to write a client for it. Can't say the same for Oracle...
pjmlp 2y ago
Only if you are speaking about SQL Server 7 and earlier, meaning around 2002. Microsoft SQL Server has long stop being Sybase SQL Server, and works on Linux by making use of Drawbridge. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/blog/2016/12/16/sql-server-on-linux-how-introduction/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/blog/2016/12/16/s...
- tharkun__ 2y ago
  Of course, that's fair. I guess wording wise for my comment, the "Hah, they didn't actually write that themselves, they just bought the Sybase rights to everything license" got the better of me :) To be fair again, from what I hear, SQL server at Microsoft did some nice things on top of Sybase but the base, T-SQL, is just nice overall and by itself. I really want to like Postgres (and I do) but some of the awesome things I had with actual Sybase ASE 20+ years ago, Postgres still does not have. And that was a piece of software that had those features I loved for 10+ years prior to when I started working with it. The app we're talking of here was 15 years old when I worked on it 20+ years ago and it's probably still around and very probably still uses Sybase ASE (tho the actual app was converted from Smalltalk to Java ;) I also later on had to use Oracle and had the same "WTF? You can't do that?" experience :shrug: