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> I find this kind of sealioning really unproductive, given the publicity around Tesla's owner right now. These assumptions(including the ones in the submissio

> I find this kind of sealioning really unproductive, given the publicity around Tesla's owner right now. These assumptions(including the ones in the submission) is only true within a certain bubble and an echo chamber. Strange that half the country isnt even acknowledged and are actively downvoted and flagged to stop them from engaging, which works well.

acdha 2y ago
You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging and your only downvoted posts appear to low-quality, is this like the imaginary “cancel culture” claims where people with national reach pretended that they had been silenced? It’s not an echo chamber to notice that Tesla’s owner linking his identity to an extremely partisan role turns off the approximately half of people who don’t share his politics: https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Navigator-Topline-F02.24.25.pdf https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Nav... That’s not a bubble, it’s just basic business sense: if you’re in a competitive market, there a cost to giving people a reason to look elsewhere and especially so when most of your historical buyers have been in the opposing camp. It’s why you don’t know how the CEOs of Ford or Toyota vote, because they are smart enough not to jeopardize their long-term future just for a little publicity now.
- ivewonyoung 2y ago
  Just 4 comments down you didn't see this one? > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536 I got downvoted(without a counterpoint reply) for asking for sources and making a fact based assertion. There's probably dozens of examples like that. On Reddit you see comments with dozens of downvotes for replying with a simple fact "Musk founded SpaceX" to a comment which says "Musk bought all his companies" which has hundreds or thousands of upvotes. > You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging Many a time I stop myself from commenting even though I think have a good counterpoint because I get dowvoted(which sometimes restricts commenting for like an hour or two and you get time limited) and flagged. Not to mention personal attacks when I made a good point because people are angry. It's all one sided posts making the front page for the most part. Reddit is wayyyy worse though, I had to stop engaging there. > It’s not an echo chamber It's hard to see the bubble when you're inside it. It's like having green goggles on all the time the world looks green. It's hard for people to even understand that for some people the world may not look green. I never voted Republican in my life anyway and may not, but it's really hard not to miss all the abject bias everywhere.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
    > Just 4 comments down you didn't see this one? That comment could have been more thoughtful. You were asking about the wrong thing (“for this”) because the parent commenter was referring to previous events. > which sometimes restricts commenting for like an hour or two and you get time limited > Not to mention personal attacks when I made a good point because people are angry. Gotta say, neither of these happen to me. (At least, any personal attacks usually seem to come after a personal attack of my own.) The fate of your comments may very well benefit from a bit more thoughtfulness. Perhaps keep in mind that many comments with good qualities and bad qualities are downvoted for their bad qualities; the trick is to minimize those. > It's hard to see the bubble when you're inside it. Indeed. Why do you feel like you are more informed than them? Could it not be your bubble that you fail to see?
    - ivewonyoung 2y ago
      > That comment could have been more thoughtful Comments which are not thoughtful but in the other direction are not dowvoted for example search for "Daddy Trump" in HN search. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=daddy%20trump&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Those are not flagged, and prolly not even downvoted. If there are similar loq quality name calling comments making fun of thehe other side, bam flagged in seconds. Any way other examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098607 > Why do you feel like you are more informed than them? Could it not be your bubble that you fail to see? Because facts, opinions and slanted headlines and stories that support the prevalent bubble of one side are heavily featured. The facts that support or negate those barely even show up on the front page, and comments referencing those are usually downvoted or flagged. This happens with a lot of topics that don't fit the preferred narrative of the site. I consume content mostly from the same bubble that is prevalent on HN, but I also look at the opposite side with an open mind while checking possible misinformation and my own biases, which appears to be sorely lacking with people. > Gotta say, neither of these happen to me Maybe it's because you're in the same prevelant bubble as most of HN is in? Try posting facts with good sources that don't support the narrative and see what happens.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
> only true within a certain bubble and an echo chamber > Strange that half the country isnt even acknowledged and are actively downvoted and flagged to stop them from engaging, which works well. Would you be willing to consider that your bubble/echo chamber is informing this belief?
- ivewonyoung 2y ago
  Oh, I was in the liberal bubble and echo chamber just 3 or 4 years ago. One of the things that opened my mind was how differently Tesla was suddenly being treated in the media/HN/Reddit once Musk turned. I didn't agree with Musk's politics and still don't agree now but the bias has been crazy. Same with SpaceX since the past 8 months or so. You saw how many liberals and moderates who voted for Dems in 2024 didn't vote in 2024 or changed their vote, even minorities. While liberals expected a big victory because they were stuck in their bubble.

acdha 2y ago

You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging and your only downvoted posts appear to low-quality, is this like the imaginary “cancel culture” claims where people with national reach pretended that they had been silenced? It’s not an echo chamber to notice that Tesla’s owner linking his identity to an extremely partisan role turns off the approximately half of people who don’t share his politics: https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Navigator-Topline-F02.24.25.pdf https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Nav... That’s not a bubble, it’s just basic business sense: if you’re in a competitive market, there a cost to giving people a reason to look elsewhere and especially so when most of your historical buyers have been in the opposing camp. It’s why you don’t know how the CEOs of Ford or Toyota vote, because they are smart enough not to jeopardize their long-term future just for a little publicity now.

ivewonyoung 2y ago
Just 4 comments down you didn't see this one? > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536 I got downvoted(without a counterpoint reply) for asking for sources and making a fact based assertion. There's probably dozens of examples like that. On Reddit you see comments with dozens of downvotes for replying with a simple fact "Musk founded SpaceX" to a comment which says "Musk bought all his companies" which has hundreds or thousands of upvotes. > You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging Many a time I stop myself from commenting even though I think have a good counterpoint because I get dowvoted(which sometimes restricts commenting for like an hour or two and you get time limited) and flagged. Not to mention personal attacks when I made a good point because people are angry. It's all one sided posts making the front page for the most part. Reddit is wayyyy worse though, I had to stop engaging there. > It’s not an echo chamber It's hard to see the bubble when you're inside it. It's like having green goggles on all the time the world looks green. It's hard for people to even understand that for some people the world may not look green. I never voted Republican in my life anyway and may not, but it's really hard not to miss all the abject bias everywhere.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
  > Just 4 comments down you didn't see this one? That comment could have been more thoughtful. You were asking about the wrong thing (“for this”) because the parent commenter was referring to previous events. > which sometimes restricts commenting for like an hour or two and you get time limited > Not to mention personal attacks when I made a good point because people are angry. Gotta say, neither of these happen to me. (At least, any personal attacks usually seem to come after a personal attack of my own.) The fate of your comments may very well benefit from a bit more thoughtfulness. Perhaps keep in mind that many comments with good qualities and bad qualities are downvoted for their bad qualities; the trick is to minimize those. > It's hard to see the bubble when you're inside it. Indeed. Why do you feel like you are more informed than them? Could it not be your bubble that you fail to see?
  - ivewonyoung 2y ago
    > That comment could have been more thoughtful Comments which are not thoughtful but in the other direction are not dowvoted for example search for "Daddy Trump" in HN search. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=daddy%20trump&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Those are not flagged, and prolly not even downvoted. If there are similar loq quality name calling comments making fun of thehe other side, bam flagged in seconds. Any way other examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098607 > Why do you feel like you are more informed than them? Could it not be your bubble that you fail to see? Because facts, opinions and slanted headlines and stories that support the prevalent bubble of one side are heavily featured. The facts that support or negate those barely even show up on the front page, and comments referencing those are usually downvoted or flagged. This happens with a lot of topics that don't fit the preferred narrative of the site. I consume content mostly from the same bubble that is prevalent on HN, but I also look at the opposite side with an open mind while checking possible misinformation and my own biases, which appears to be sorely lacking with people. > Gotta say, neither of these happen to me Maybe it's because you're in the same prevelant bubble as most of HN is in? Try posting facts with good sources that don't support the narrative and see what happens.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago

> only true within a certain bubble and an echo chamber > Strange that half the country isnt even acknowledged and are actively downvoted and flagged to stop them from engaging, which works well. Would you be willing to consider that your bubble/echo chamber is informing this belief?

ivewonyoung 2y ago
Oh, I was in the liberal bubble and echo chamber just 3 or 4 years ago. One of the things that opened my mind was how differently Tesla was suddenly being treated in the media/HN/Reddit once Musk turned. I didn't agree with Musk's politics and still don't agree now but the bias has been crazy. Same with SpaceX since the past 8 months or so. You saw how many liberals and moderates who voted for Dems in 2024 didn't vote in 2024 or changed their vote, even minorities. While liberals expected a big victory because they were stuck in their bubble.