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Europe needs to step up now that it is absolutely crystal clear that America and by extension, Americans, don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine, her people and t

Europe needs to step up now that it is absolutely crystal clear that America and by extension, Americans, don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine, her people and the threat posed by Russian. Putin must be howling with laughter.

johng 2y ago
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- dc396 2y ago
  "European countries have provided €132 billion in aid (military, financial and humanitarian) as of December 2024, and the United States has provided €114 billion. Most of the US funding supports American industries who produce weapons and military equipment." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukrain...
- lawn 2y ago
  EU has in fact given more than the US. Also it should probably be "don't give a rats ass anymore"
rich_sasha 2y ago
The noises from the EU all look right: realization that US is out, that they need to step up, quick and sharp. Now the question is, will they put up the cash. What I think helps is that Europe must have realized it can no longer rely on the US, at all. So aiding Ukraine is what they would be doing anyway. Build up defence, find funding. It's just whether it is the Ukrainians or Europeans at the sharp end.
benterix 2y ago
> Americans, don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine It's both untrue and unfair. Americans do care, the current administration doesn't. Even among Republicans those who are opposed to helping Ukraine are in minority.
- birksherty 2y ago
  Americans elected current administration.
  - benterix 2y ago
    And some already regret it. Trump's current presidency is incomparable to his previous one.
  - hayst4ck 2y ago
    I don't know man. Russians vote, but their vote doesn't have any meaning. American votes aren't very meaningful either. They don't create positive change, not in my lifetime. The point of an election is to give a leader a mandate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)) to rule... From a theoretical perspective, if a president wins by 1 vote, how much of a mandate to rule do they actually have? Our governments founding document specifically mentions the consent of the governed. I consent to tax policies and housing policies I disagree with, but I don't consent to a government that doesn't seem to have any ruling philosophy other than might makes right. I definitely don't consent to a government that threatens allies in a way that irreparably damages the negotiating ability of future presidents, and I don't consent to rule by a person who wishes to make my future votes meaningless. If you vote for someone that violates rule of law, it contradicts the system of voting itself. I don't disagree we "elected" him, just that election is a very black and white view of politics. We elected him, but he does not have mandate to do what he is doing.
fithisux 2y ago
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johng 2y ago

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dc396 2y ago
"European countries have provided €132 billion in aid (military, financial and humanitarian) as of December 2024, and the United States has provided €114 billion. Most of the US funding supports American industries who produce weapons and military equipment." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukrain...
lawn 2y ago
EU has in fact given more than the US. Also it should probably be "don't give a rats ass anymore"

rich_sasha 2y ago

The noises from the EU all look right: realization that US is out, that they need to step up, quick and sharp. Now the question is, will they put up the cash. What I think helps is that Europe must have realized it can no longer rely on the US, at all. So aiding Ukraine is what they would be doing anyway. Build up defence, find funding. It's just whether it is the Ukrainians or Europeans at the sharp end.

benterix 2y ago

> Americans, don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine It's both untrue and unfair. Americans do care, the current administration doesn't. Even among Republicans those who are opposed to helping Ukraine are in minority.

birksherty 2y ago
Americans elected current administration.
- benterix 2y ago
  And some already regret it. Trump's current presidency is incomparable to his previous one.
- hayst4ck 2y ago
  I don't know man. Russians vote, but their vote doesn't have any meaning. American votes aren't very meaningful either. They don't create positive change, not in my lifetime. The point of an election is to give a leader a mandate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)) to rule... From a theoretical perspective, if a president wins by 1 vote, how much of a mandate to rule do they actually have? Our governments founding document specifically mentions the consent of the governed. I consent to tax policies and housing policies I disagree with, but I don't consent to a government that doesn't seem to have any ruling philosophy other than might makes right. I definitely don't consent to a government that threatens allies in a way that irreparably damages the negotiating ability of future presidents, and I don't consent to rule by a person who wishes to make my future votes meaningless. If you vote for someone that violates rule of law, it contradicts the system of voting itself. I don't disagree we "elected" him, just that election is a very black and white view of politics. We elected him, but he does not have mandate to do what he is doing.

fithisux 2y ago

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