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> I really struggle to understand what legal team believes this language is necessary in downloaded software. Exactly. Even if nothing is changing at Mozilla,

> I really struggle to understand what legal team believes this language is necessary in downloaded software. Exactly. Even if nothing is changing at Mozilla, their legal team has invented a new interpretation of copyright law. That’s a huge deal from a legal perspective—Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc need to be rushing to add corresponding terms to their applications. Mozilla PR is dropping the ball completely by trying to sweep this under the rug as ‘standard legal boilerplate’ because it’s not a clause in any other application I’ve ever seen. Since I use FireFox at work, I don’t even have permission to give Mozilla a license to the content I create on the clock, so I will be switching browsers.

nativeit 2y ago
Not for nothing, it is standard legal boilerplate. I just checked two randomly selected terms of service--one for ReadAI, the other for Google--and they both include a very similar clause with those exact parameters. That said, I'm not suggesting Mozilla isn't also being wildly hypocritical in their behavior, and hamfisted in their PR.
- gtirloni 2y ago
  You can't download Google.
- teovall 2y ago
  Both of your examples are cloud services, not software run locally on users' own hardware. If they intend the license to be limited to cloud services like Firefox Sync, then they should say so.
usr1106 2y ago
Switching to what? Honest question, not asking for a friend.
- Semaphor 2y ago
  Not OP, but we had a waterfox thread yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43205110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43205110
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  I switched to https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/
  - fph 2y ago
    Is it a reputable project? What credentials does it have?
    - BSDobelix 2y ago
      Well it's part of the Debian Main-repo, FreeBSD-Ports, FlatHub and brew on MacOS: https://librewolf.net/installation/ https://librewolf.net/installation/
      - fph 2y ago
        It does not seem to be part of the official Debian repositories; searching for librewolf returns no results: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=librewolf https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all... They have their own external repository indexed by extrepo, but "no warranty is made by the Debian project as to the security or quality of the software in these third-party repositories."

nativeit 2y ago

Not for nothing, it is standard legal boilerplate. I just checked two randomly selected terms of service--one for ReadAI, the other for Google--and they both include a very similar clause with those exact parameters. That said, I'm not suggesting Mozilla isn't also being wildly hypocritical in their behavior, and hamfisted in their PR.

gtirloni 2y ago
You can't download Google.
teovall 2y ago
Both of your examples are cloud services, not software run locally on users' own hardware. If they intend the license to be limited to cloud services like Firefox Sync, then they should say so.

usr1106 2y ago

Switching to what? Honest question, not asking for a friend.

Semaphor 2y ago
Not OP, but we had a waterfox thread yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43205110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43205110
BSDobelix 2y ago
I switched to https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/
- fph 2y ago
  Is it a reputable project? What credentials does it have?
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    Well it's part of the Debian Main-repo, FreeBSD-Ports, FlatHub and brew on MacOS: https://librewolf.net/installation/ https://librewolf.net/installation/
    - fph 2y ago
      It does not seem to be part of the official Debian repositories; searching for librewolf returns no results: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=librewolf https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all... They have their own external repository indexed by extrepo, but "no warranty is made by the Debian project as to the security or quality of the software in these third-party repositories."