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I just don't have the words to express how ashamed I am of my country today.

by jredwards 2y ago

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
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- hayst4ck 2y ago
  I hate to break it to you, but you are in a western country, too. The same anti-democratic forces at work here are working on your citizens too using the same tools, private intelligence, compromising of elites, and social media manipulation that worked on people not so culturally dissimilar from yourselves. You can blame us, but our fates are tied. Your anti-encryption laws are a prelude to despotism. Your PMs don't exactly represent the model of western leadership. I think you guys have dealt with unstable governance in the last decade, no? There is an up vs down fight happening across the west, it isn't EU vs US. It's not left vs right. It's those who make money chiefly proportional to time vs who make money proportional to what they own. It's those who have the power to be above the law vs those who want justice. What are people in UK doing to combat their own aristocracy/oligarchy? When you look at us, you're looking at a potential future. Is there anyone worth mentioning in the UK exercising their backbone? Serious question, because there's only one American in all the west (not currently at war) that I've seen use theirs and while I agree, I'd prefer a more palatable model of dissent.
  - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
    Whilst I tend to agree with a lot of your points, we do make a lot of noise and protest against certain decisions. Unfortunately, there's very little interest in privacy and digital rights, so yes, there's very little pushback against draconian laws invading our privacy, though we do have some laws protecting us against rogue companies (our rogue governments, not so much). As an example, we did not receive Liz Truss's awful premiership with any kind of acceptance, but ridiculed and deposed her. Just seen that at least Starmer (who I'm not a fan of as he strikes me as being Tory-lite) is making clear that we stand with Ukranians.

I just don't have the words to express how ashamed I am of my country today.

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago

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hayst4ck 2y ago
I hate to break it to you, but you are in a western country, too. The same anti-democratic forces at work here are working on your citizens too using the same tools, private intelligence, compromising of elites, and social media manipulation that worked on people not so culturally dissimilar from yourselves. You can blame us, but our fates are tied. Your anti-encryption laws are a prelude to despotism. Your PMs don't exactly represent the model of western leadership. I think you guys have dealt with unstable governance in the last decade, no? There is an up vs down fight happening across the west, it isn't EU vs US. It's not left vs right. It's those who make money chiefly proportional to time vs who make money proportional to what they own. It's those who have the power to be above the law vs those who want justice. What are people in UK doing to combat their own aristocracy/oligarchy? When you look at us, you're looking at a potential future. Is there anyone worth mentioning in the UK exercising their backbone? Serious question, because there's only one American in all the west (not currently at war) that I've seen use theirs and while I agree, I'd prefer a more palatable model of dissent.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  Whilst I tend to agree with a lot of your points, we do make a lot of noise and protest against certain decisions. Unfortunately, there's very little interest in privacy and digital rights, so yes, there's very little pushback against draconian laws invading our privacy, though we do have some laws protecting us against rogue companies (our rogue governments, not so much). As an example, we did not receive Liz Truss's awful premiership with any kind of acceptance, but ridiculed and deposed her. Just seen that at least Starmer (who I'm not a fan of as he strikes me as being Tory-lite) is making clear that we stand with Ukranians.