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One example: I had to send a report to a slack webhook, showing how many oban jobs were completed in the last 24 hours for specific uses cases based on oban job

One example: I had to send a report to a slack webhook, showing how many oban jobs were completed in the last 24 hours for specific uses cases based on oban job params. That's: sql query, slack webhook api docs reading, ecto query for oban jobs with complex para filtering, oban job to run cron, cron syntax. easily like a 2 hour job? it took me 5 minutes with AI. then we decided to send the slack alert at 7am EST instead of 12pm PST. instead of doing all that math, I just ctrl+k and asked it to change it. 1 second change. these gains are compounding. if you're an experienced engineer, you let go of minutae and FLY. i believe syntax memorization is dead.

batshit_beaver 2y ago
> i believe syntax memorization is dead. Hold up, if you don't know a language's syntax, how can you verify that the answer returned by LLM is correct (at a glance, because a) nobody writes exhaustive tests, LLMs included, and b) you wouldn't be able to read the tests to confirm their validity either)? I struggle to think of a case where explaining a task to an LLM in a natural language is somehow faster than writing it yourself, specifically in the case where you know a programming language and related libs to accomplish the task, implying non-zero ROI on learning these things.
- sergiotapia 2y ago
  I already gave you literally a specific task I completed in minutes vs 2 hours, how are you struggling with that?
re-thc 2y ago
> these gains are compounding. It's not really. You could have done the same using no code tools in a similar time. Question is, would you? It's alarming the amount of trust/praise that goes into "AI". > if you're an experienced engineer > it took me 5 minutes with AI You'd at least read the code and fix things up so it wouldn't be 5 minutes.
- t-writescode 2y ago
  For a lot of the vomit code which is mostly just skimming the API to find the magical incantation, it probably is 5 minutes, honestly.
- sergiotapia 2y ago
  this is a cope my friend. adapt or die.
  - re-thc 2y ago
    > this is a cope my friend. adapt or die. Adapt to? I'm not saying to not use AI but whether you use AI, do it manually or outsource it it's never 5 minutes. It's about being responsible. Double check what happens. Review it.

batshit_beaver 2y ago

> i believe syntax memorization is dead. Hold up, if you don't know a language's syntax, how can you verify that the answer returned by LLM is correct (at a glance, because a) nobody writes exhaustive tests, LLMs included, and b) you wouldn't be able to read the tests to confirm their validity either)? I struggle to think of a case where explaining a task to an LLM in a natural language is somehow faster than writing it yourself, specifically in the case where you know a programming language and related libs to accomplish the task, implying non-zero ROI on learning these things.

sergiotapia 2y ago
I already gave you literally a specific task I completed in minutes vs 2 hours, how are you struggling with that?

re-thc 2y ago

> these gains are compounding. It's not really. You could have done the same using no code tools in a similar time. Question is, would you? It's alarming the amount of trust/praise that goes into "AI". > if you're an experienced engineer > it took me 5 minutes with AI You'd at least read the code and fix things up so it wouldn't be 5 minutes.

t-writescode 2y ago
For a lot of the vomit code which is mostly just skimming the API to find the magical incantation, it probably is 5 minutes, honestly.
sergiotapia 2y ago
this is a cope my friend. adapt or die.
- re-thc 2y ago
  > this is a cope my friend. adapt or die. Adapt to? I'm not saying to not use AI but whether you use AI, do it manually or outsource it it's never 5 minutes. It's about being responsible. Double check what happens. Review it.