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I don't understand why you assume your foreign friends in computing are not in favor of... eh, whatever you are "embarrassed by". And whatever it is, the (small

by krick 2y ago

I don't understand why you assume your foreign friends in computing are not in favor of... eh, whatever you are "embarrassed by". And whatever it is, the (small) majority of people in the USA voted for it, so your statement simply means you are so invested in your own religion that you are willing to fool yourself into thinking "nearly everybody" is, not just every second guy. Which surely seems like "nearly everybody", if you don't want to consider their point of view has as much merit as your own. If anything, I expected HN crowd to be one-sided, but not that one sided. All these laments in this topic are kinda crazy to read, honestly.

eric_cc 2y ago
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- otterley 2y ago
  Why don’t you tell us what you think is wrong with our perspective instead of lazily painting us all with the same coarse brush?
  - eric_cc 2y ago
    It’s quite simple: Trump wants peace. Zelensky is in the position of the beggar and was disrespectful. Zelensky should accept a ceasefire and work toward peace and the US should stop giving them money and resources immediately. And the reason for my meta comment about HN is because honestly I’m dismayed and disappointed with what this place has turned into. There is only room for one opinion now. And sadly, peace is not the opinion. “Trump want peace. Trump bad. Peace bad.”
    - otterley 2y ago
      What, exactly, was disrespectful? When considering your answer, what makes Zelensky’s behavior different from anyone else’s who wished to plead their case to the American people, which has been done throughout history without incurring similar drama and blowback? Why should the U.S. stop aiding Ukraine? What do you think about Trump’s attitude being like that of Neville Chamberlain, who mistakenly believed that appeasement (note that “peace” is a root word) would stop Germany from further territorial invasions? And finally, do you believe Trump’s and Vance’s behavior was appropriate for their appointed roles (as leaders and heads of state)? When considering your answer, if you had children, would you be proud of them if they behaved this way?
      - eric_cc 2y ago
        > Why should the U.S. stop aiding Ukraine? First and foremost, I don’t want war. I don’t want to contribute weapons to send people to die pointlessly. Second, even if you’re pro war, the United States has crumbling infrastructure, massive debt, and plenty of people who have paid taxes that themselves need help. We are not in a position to be pouring billions of dollars to non citizens at this point in time. > who mistakenly believed that appeasement (note that “peace” is a root word) would stop Germany from further territorial invasions? I don’t think you can point to that story and automatically prove that that’s what this is. Sure it’s a great lesson on what to watch for but it’s also a great story line for war hawks. > do you believe Trump’s and Vance’s behavior was appropriate for their appointed roles (as leaders and heads of state)? From the perspective of transparency, what more could you ask for? We saw passion for making a peace deal. But peace is not everybody’s priority. This conflict has not been solved in decades of closed room talks. Why would anybody think that’s the way to keep going?
        otterley 2y ago
        I don’t think your point of view is unreasonable, but I would also like to see folks like you admit that the episode was poorly handled (and that similar mishandling is happening all over) and embarrassing. I notice you didn’t answer all my questions and that seems evasive.
        eric_cc 2y ago
        Ok for your other questions Zelensky was disrespectful in many ways. He’s only still in this fight because of the US. He knew damn well why he was flown to Washington this time. Trump wants the ceasefire. He should be thankful for what he’s getting instead of confrontational. He is owed absolutely nothing. > When considering your answer, if you had children, would you be proud of them if they behaved this way? If they were genuinely wanting peace, yes. If it was theatrics with bad intent, no.
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by krick 2y ago

eric_cc 2y ago

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otterley 2y ago
Why don’t you tell us what you think is wrong with our perspective instead of lazily painting us all with the same coarse brush?
- eric_cc 2y ago
  It’s quite simple: Trump wants peace. Zelensky is in the position of the beggar and was disrespectful. Zelensky should accept a ceasefire and work toward peace and the US should stop giving them money and resources immediately. And the reason for my meta comment about HN is because honestly I’m dismayed and disappointed with what this place has turned into. There is only room for one opinion now. And sadly, peace is not the opinion. “Trump want peace. Trump bad. Peace bad.”
  - otterley 2y ago
    What, exactly, was disrespectful? When considering your answer, what makes Zelensky’s behavior different from anyone else’s who wished to plead their case to the American people, which has been done throughout history without incurring similar drama and blowback? Why should the U.S. stop aiding Ukraine? What do you think about Trump’s attitude being like that of Neville Chamberlain, who mistakenly believed that appeasement (note that “peace” is a root word) would stop Germany from further territorial invasions? And finally, do you believe Trump’s and Vance’s behavior was appropriate for their appointed roles (as leaders and heads of state)? When considering your answer, if you had children, would you be proud of them if they behaved this way?
    - eric_cc 2y ago
      > Why should the U.S. stop aiding Ukraine? First and foremost, I don’t want war. I don’t want to contribute weapons to send people to die pointlessly. Second, even if you’re pro war, the United States has crumbling infrastructure, massive debt, and plenty of people who have paid taxes that themselves need help. We are not in a position to be pouring billions of dollars to non citizens at this point in time. > who mistakenly believed that appeasement (note that “peace” is a root word) would stop Germany from further territorial invasions? I don’t think you can point to that story and automatically prove that that’s what this is. Sure it’s a great lesson on what to watch for but it’s also a great story line for war hawks. > do you believe Trump’s and Vance’s behavior was appropriate for their appointed roles (as leaders and heads of state)? From the perspective of transparency, what more could you ask for? We saw passion for making a peace deal. But peace is not everybody’s priority. This conflict has not been solved in decades of closed room talks. Why would anybody think that’s the way to keep going?
      - otterley 2y ago
        I don’t think your point of view is unreasonable, but I would also like to see folks like you admit that the episode was poorly handled (and that similar mishandling is happening all over) and embarrassing. I notice you didn’t answer all my questions and that seems evasive.
        eric_cc 2y ago
        Ok for your other questions Zelensky was disrespectful in many ways. He’s only still in this fight because of the US. He knew damn well why he was flown to Washington this time. Trump wants the ceasefire. He should be thankful for what he’s getting instead of confrontational. He is owed absolutely nothing. > When considering your answer, if you had children, would you be proud of them if they behaved this way? If they were genuinely wanting peace, yes. If it was theatrics with bad intent, no.
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