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I find this kind of sealioning really unproductive, given the publicity around Tesla's owner right now. I highly doubt someone with your resumé and levels of ca

I find this kind of sealioning really unproductive, given the publicity around Tesla's owner right now. I highly doubt someone with your resumé and levels of capital ownership would need any of this context explained, let alone the average HN reader.

andreygrehov 2y ago
I love my car irrespective of public opinion about Tesla's owner. Media narratives don't affect the reliability of my car or the comfort I experience driving it. I simply enjoy the vehicle for what it is.
- bigyabai 2y ago
  Feels like this is the same playbook Google, Meta and Apple apologists all roll out. "I love this product because I am oblivious to the immediate political consequences of owning it. You can't make me care about security or privacy until I decide to care about it!" At least we now know with hindsight that every Google, Apple and Meta product was completely benign. At least, that's what my deprivation from media narratives tells me.
- CamperBob2 2y ago
  Wait'll you try to sell or trade it.
  - andreygrehov 2y ago
    I know that the price of a Tesla vehicle has gone down, but I'm not looking to sell my car. It has no reliability issues. Not once have I had to repair anything. The battery is performing great. Why would I sell it? I understand that five years from now, the battery may not be as good as it is today. But if you own, say, a BMW—the holy grail of car engineering—good luck keeping it after the warranty expires. My other Tesla is on lease, so I couldn't care less about the price drops.
ivewonyoung 2y ago
> I find this kind of sealioning really unproductive, given the publicity around Tesla's owner right now. These assumptions(including the ones in the submission) is only true within a certain bubble and an echo chamber. Strange that half the country isnt even acknowledged and are actively downvoted and flagged to stop them from engaging, which works well.
- acdha 2y ago
  You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging and your only downvoted posts appear to low-quality, is this like the imaginary “cancel culture” claims where people with national reach pretended that they had been silenced? It’s not an echo chamber to notice that Tesla’s owner linking his identity to an extremely partisan role turns off the approximately half of people who don’t share his politics: https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Navigator-Topline-F02.24.25.pdf https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Nav... That’s not a bubble, it’s just basic business sense: if you’re in a competitive market, there a cost to giving people a reason to look elsewhere and especially so when most of your historical buyers have been in the opposing camp. It’s why you don’t know how the CEOs of Ford or Toyota vote, because they are smart enough not to jeopardize their long-term future just for a little publicity now.
  - ivewonyoung 2y ago
    Just 4 comments down you didn't see this one? > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536 I got downvoted(without a counterpoint reply) for asking for sources and making a fact based assertion. There's probably dozens of examples like that. On Reddit you see comments with dozens of downvotes for replying with a simple fact "Musk founded SpaceX" to a comment which says "Musk bought all his companies" which has hundreds or thousands of upvotes. > You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging Many a time I stop myself from commenting even though I think have a good counterpoint because I get dowvoted(which sometimes restricts commenting for like an hour or two and you get time limited) and flagged. Not to mention personal attacks when I made a good point because people are angry. It's all one sided posts making the front page for the most part. Reddit is wayyyy worse though, I had to stop engaging there. > It’s not an echo chamber It's hard to see the bubble when you're inside it. It's like having green goggles on all the time the world looks green. It's hard for people to even understand that for some people the world may not look green. I never voted Republican in my life anyway and may not, but it's really hard not to miss all the abject bias everywhere.
enslavedrobot 2y ago
Musk owns 15% of Tesla. He is not Teslas owner. Most of Tesla is owned by retail shareholders and index funds.

andreygrehov 2y ago

I love my car irrespective of public opinion about Tesla's owner. Media narratives don't affect the reliability of my car or the comfort I experience driving it. I simply enjoy the vehicle for what it is.

bigyabai 2y ago
Feels like this is the same playbook Google, Meta and Apple apologists all roll out. "I love this product because I am oblivious to the immediate political consequences of owning it. You can't make me care about security or privacy until I decide to care about it!" At least we now know with hindsight that every Google, Apple and Meta product was completely benign. At least, that's what my deprivation from media narratives tells me.
CamperBob2 2y ago
Wait'll you try to sell or trade it.
- andreygrehov 2y ago
  I know that the price of a Tesla vehicle has gone down, but I'm not looking to sell my car. It has no reliability issues. Not once have I had to repair anything. The battery is performing great. Why would I sell it? I understand that five years from now, the battery may not be as good as it is today. But if you own, say, a BMW—the holy grail of car engineering—good luck keeping it after the warranty expires. My other Tesla is on lease, so I couldn't care less about the price drops.

ivewonyoung 2y ago

> I find this kind of sealioning really unproductive, given the publicity around Tesla's owner right now. These assumptions(including the ones in the submission) is only true within a certain bubble and an echo chamber. Strange that half the country isnt even acknowledged and are actively downvoted and flagged to stop them from engaging, which works well.

acdha 2y ago
You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging and your only downvoted posts appear to low-quality, is this like the imaginary “cancel culture” claims where people with national reach pretended that they had been silenced? It’s not an echo chamber to notice that Tesla’s owner linking his identity to an extremely partisan role turns off the approximately half of people who don’t share his politics: https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Navigator-Topline-F02.24.25.pdf https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Nav... That’s not a bubble, it’s just basic business sense: if you’re in a competitive market, there a cost to giving people a reason to look elsewhere and especially so when most of your historical buyers have been in the opposing camp. It’s why you don’t know how the CEOs of Ford or Toyota vote, because they are smart enough not to jeopardize their long-term future just for a little publicity now.
- ivewonyoung 2y ago
  Just 4 comments down you didn't see this one? > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536 I got downvoted(without a counterpoint reply) for asking for sources and making a fact based assertion. There's probably dozens of examples like that. On Reddit you see comments with dozens of downvotes for replying with a simple fact "Musk founded SpaceX" to a comment which says "Musk bought all his companies" which has hundreds or thousands of upvotes. > You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging Many a time I stop myself from commenting even though I think have a good counterpoint because I get dowvoted(which sometimes restricts commenting for like an hour or two and you get time limited) and flagged. Not to mention personal attacks when I made a good point because people are angry. It's all one sided posts making the front page for the most part. Reddit is wayyyy worse though, I had to stop engaging there. > It’s not an echo chamber It's hard to see the bubble when you're inside it. It's like having green goggles on all the time the world looks green. It's hard for people to even understand that for some people the world may not look green. I never voted Republican in my life anyway and may not, but it's really hard not to miss all the abject bias everywhere.

enslavedrobot 2y ago

Musk owns 15% of Tesla. He is not Teslas owner. Most of Tesla is owned by retail shareholders and index funds.