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The west has immense influence on Ukrainians, and have pushed for their integration into NATO for decades. The arguments Mearsheimer is making are not whether
by lijok 2y ago
The west has immense influence on Ukrainians, and have pushed for their integration into NATO for decades.
The arguments Mearsheimer is making are not whether Ukrainians should or should not have autonomy. It’s whether they do. And the sad reality is that they don’t, due to their unfortunate situation.
- crazygringo 2y ago> and have pushed for their integration into NATO for decades That's not true. I don't know of any Western governments that have been "pushing" for NATO integration for Ukraine. Certainly not the US. And certainly not "the West" as a whole. There have been internal debates in the West over whether Ukraine should be admitted to NATO if Ukraine wants to. And way back in 2008, Bush Jr. commented that he supported Ukraine on a path to NATO membership. But that's not "pushing" -- that's allowing in response to a desire from Ukraine. > The west has immense influence on Ukrainians I don't know what this even means. Do you think Ukrainians don't think for themselves, or something? That seems awfully paternalistic.
- lijok 2y agoListen to the talk. A lot of this discussion is pointless because you’re missing information that was presented in the parent.