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The EU needs to get armed to the teeth and to pile up on nukes. The US cannot be trusted, half of the country is compromised and that's not something that will

The EU needs to get armed to the teeth and to pile up on nukes. The US cannot be trusted, half of the country is compromised and that's not something that will change any time soon, even after Trump goes to meet his creator.

JPKab 2y ago
Half the country isn't "compromised." We simply woke up to the fact that a continent of people that do nothing but mock and sneer at us refused to pay for their own defense, and we get nothing from it in return, other than having our exports tariffed at higher levels than EU exports to the US. For the US, NATO is an obligation, of which the EU nations (with their lavish social spending and anemic defense spending) benefited from. In 2014, the EU did NOTHING to help when Crimea was invaded. You continued to buy gas, and even bult new pipelines like Nordstream to continue to hand Putin money. I'm all for the EU to take on it's own protection and investing in militaries. World War II ended 80 years ago. Move on and grow up and pay for your own defense.
- ks2048 2y ago
  > We get nothing in return Isn't most US NATO spending just hand-outs to the US defense industry?
  - anon291 2y ago
    The vast majority of Americans are skeptical of our military-industrial complex
- francasso 2y ago
  You were buying influence by spending your money on your own military. But I agree that the EU should never have relied on the US for its own defense, I really hope that will change now.
budududuroiu 2y ago
There’s probably going to be a decade long build up for that to happen. European military industrial production could barely surge to the promised 1 million shells to Ukraine
sebazzz 2y ago
France has nukes. But for nukes it doesn’t matter in practice if you have 10 or 1000. If you use one, it is one too many. It only matters that you have them.
- francasso 2y ago
  I agree in principle, but I'd like to see more EU countries get nukes

JPKab 2y ago

Half the country isn't "compromised." We simply woke up to the fact that a continent of people that do nothing but mock and sneer at us refused to pay for their own defense, and we get nothing from it in return, other than having our exports tariffed at higher levels than EU exports to the US. For the US, NATO is an obligation, of which the EU nations (with their lavish social spending and anemic defense spending) benefited from. In 2014, the EU did NOTHING to help when Crimea was invaded. You continued to buy gas, and even bult new pipelines like Nordstream to continue to hand Putin money. I'm all for the EU to take on it's own protection and investing in militaries. World War II ended 80 years ago. Move on and grow up and pay for your own defense.

ks2048 2y ago
> We get nothing in return Isn't most US NATO spending just hand-outs to the US defense industry?
- anon291 2y ago
  The vast majority of Americans are skeptical of our military-industrial complex
francasso 2y ago
You were buying influence by spending your money on your own military. But I agree that the EU should never have relied on the US for its own defense, I really hope that will change now.

budududuroiu 2y ago

There’s probably going to be a decade long build up for that to happen. European military industrial production could barely surge to the promised 1 million shells to Ukraine

sebazzz 2y ago

France has nukes. But for nukes it doesn’t matter in practice if you have 10 or 1000. If you use one, it is one too many. It only matters that you have them.

francasso 2y ago
I agree in principle, but I'd like to see more EU countries get nukes