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But about half of America did vote for this, and Trump isn’t doing what he said he’d do and what the world said he’d do.

by chgs 2y ago

wrs 2y ago
Half of American voters voted for this, which is far less than half of Americans. I’m almost as disappointed in the people who didn’t vote as I am in the people who voted for this.
- u7i7i8o8o8 2y ago
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- davorak 2y ago
  Pretty close to half[1] of voters, but not quite half from the sources I have. [1] https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election... https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...
WhyOhWhyQ 2y ago
77 million people voted for Trump. The US has 340 million people. 22.6% of the US voted for this.
- NicuCalcea 2y ago
  I don't think it's fair to include the entire population of the US in that total, even the 78 million children who can't vote. And people who didn't vote made their choice as well. By that logic, no democracy in the world elects their leaders with a 50%+ majority, not even countries with mandatory voting laws like Australia or Belgium.
  - davorak 2y ago
    What is being objected to is: > But about half of America did vote for this So it is fair to include the full population of America. > By that logic, no democracy in the world elects their leaders with a 50%+ majority Leaders are often elected by plurality, meaning less then 50% of the voters, but the winer still has the largest number of votes[1]. Trump did not win the majority according the sources I have[2]. 'Majority' is often used as a replacement for plurality in everyday speech, but sometimes you need to get into the nitty gritty details and need the more precise definitions. [1] https://www.dictionary.com/e/majority-vs-plurality/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/majority-vs-plurality/ [2] https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election... https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...
    - NicuCalcea 2y ago
      This is nitpicking. When people say that half the country voted for X, it is implied they are referring to voters, not infants. You don't need to be more precise than that. Just like if I say "everyone I hang out with prefers wine over beer", I don't include my 2-year-old nephew or my cat, both of whom I hang out with regularly.
      - davorak 2y ago
        > When people say that half the country voted for X, it is implied they are referring to voters In this case it is a very large difference and it is important to keep it in mind, even if starting with 340 million is not the best place to start. Google tells me the adult population of the USA is ~260 million, so 260 - 77.3 = 182.7 and 182.7/260 ~0.7. So ~70% of the adult population did not vote for Trump. It is part of Trump's job as president to represent and serve that 70%. It is also part of Trump's job to represent and serve the minority of adults who voted him into office too. I have talked to many people over the years that did not know so few people voted or the difference between majority and plurality. These sort of details can and do lead to misunderstandings, that unfortunately, can and do waste considerable time.
- chgs 2y ago
  So fewer than 1 in 4 Americans actually did something to stop this from happening?

But about half of America did vote for this, and Trump isn’t doing what he said he’d do and what the world said he’d do.

by chgs 2y ago

But about half of America did vote for this, and Trump isn’t doing what he said he’d do and what the world said he’d do.

wrs 2y ago

Half of American voters voted for this, which is far less than half of Americans. I’m almost as disappointed in the people who didn’t vote as I am in the people who voted for this.

u7i7i8o8o8 2y ago
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davorak 2y ago
Pretty close to half[1] of voters, but not quite half from the sources I have. [1] https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election... https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...

WhyOhWhyQ 2y ago

77 million people voted for Trump. The US has 340 million people. 22.6% of the US voted for this.

NicuCalcea 2y ago
I don't think it's fair to include the entire population of the US in that total, even the 78 million children who can't vote. And people who didn't vote made their choice as well. By that logic, no democracy in the world elects their leaders with a 50%+ majority, not even countries with mandatory voting laws like Australia or Belgium.
- davorak 2y ago
  What is being objected to is: > But about half of America did vote for this So it is fair to include the full population of America. > By that logic, no democracy in the world elects their leaders with a 50%+ majority Leaders are often elected by plurality, meaning less then 50% of the voters, but the winer still has the largest number of votes[1]. Trump did not win the majority according the sources I have[2]. 'Majority' is often used as a replacement for plurality in everyday speech, but sometimes you need to get into the nitty gritty details and need the more precise definitions. [1] https://www.dictionary.com/e/majority-vs-plurality/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/majority-vs-plurality/ [2] https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election... https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...
  - NicuCalcea 2y ago
    This is nitpicking. When people say that half the country voted for X, it is implied they are referring to voters, not infants. You don't need to be more precise than that. Just like if I say "everyone I hang out with prefers wine over beer", I don't include my 2-year-old nephew or my cat, both of whom I hang out with regularly.
    - davorak 2y ago
      > When people say that half the country voted for X, it is implied they are referring to voters In this case it is a very large difference and it is important to keep it in mind, even if starting with 340 million is not the best place to start. Google tells me the adult population of the USA is ~260 million, so 260 - 77.3 = 182.7 and 182.7/260 ~0.7. So ~70% of the adult population did not vote for Trump. It is part of Trump's job as president to represent and serve that 70%. It is also part of Trump's job to represent and serve the minority of adults who voted him into office too. I have talked to many people over the years that did not know so few people voted or the difference between majority and plurality. These sort of details can and do lead to misunderstandings, that unfortunately, can and do waste considerable time.
chgs 2y ago
So fewer than 1 in 4 Americans actually did something to stop this from happening?