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Google engineers are paid pretty freaking well. Almost double of what a regular company would pay.

bigfatkitten 2y ago
And they can continue to earn that salary without a 50% increase in their working hours, and the cost to their health, relationships and life expectancy that comes with it.
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
  > And they can continue to earn that salary That's up to Google.
  - nextos 2y ago
    Some startups are paying pretty good salaries, maybe not at the level of Google, but fairly close from what I've seen in recent recruiter messages. If you consider that many offer a hybrid working policy and this lets you relocate to a cheaper area, it might be possible to keep the same purchasing power without getting exploited.
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  - bigfatkitten 2y ago
    That's one way to force attrition, I guess. It's not like Google are at the tip top of the market for comp these days, and they haven't been for a long time. It's easy to make similar money without destroying your quality of life elsewhere.
acdha 2y ago
If Google didn’t tell you the job involved unpaid overtime before you accepted, they’re giving you a pay cut now. Like any other business deal, that should happen in writing. Even tech workers who mistakenly thought they were “too smart” to need a union actually need a union to balance out the uneven negotiating power. The house always wins.
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
  > If Google didn’t tell you the job involved unpaid overtime before you accepted, they’re giving you a pay cut now. Yes. And you have a choice. Agree to it or find some better place. Demands of both employees and employers can be as unreasonable (within the law) as they want. As long as the whole process is voluntary and legal, I'm fine with it. You don't like working long hours for extremely high pay, that's fine. Many people will happily take that deal.
xracy 2y ago
Hi, please finish this thought. Google engineers are paid well so they should have to work twice as hard? Google engineers are paid well, so they shouldn't complain about the contract under which they get paid changing to expect them to work 60-hour weeks? This is a leading comment, but you're not willing to say the quiet part out loud, which is that you think they shouldn't get paid as well because others aren't paid as well. You're arguing for a race to the bottom which doesn't actually help you. You should be arguing for a race to the top (everyone should be paying their employees more), which might actually benefit you.

And they can continue to earn that salary without a 50% increase in their working hours, and the cost to their health, relationships and life expectancy that comes with it.

bufferoverflow 2y ago
> And they can continue to earn that salary That's up to Google.
- nextos 2y ago
  Some startups are paying pretty good salaries, maybe not at the level of Google, but fairly close from what I've seen in recent recruiter messages. If you consider that many offer a hybrid working policy and this lets you relocate to a cheaper area, it might be possible to keep the same purchasing power without getting exploited.
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- bigfatkitten 2y ago
  That's one way to force attrition, I guess. It's not like Google are at the tip top of the market for comp these days, and they haven't been for a long time. It's easy to make similar money without destroying your quality of life elsewhere.

acdha 2y ago

If Google didn’t tell you the job involved unpaid overtime before you accepted, they’re giving you a pay cut now. Like any other business deal, that should happen in writing. Even tech workers who mistakenly thought they were “too smart” to need a union actually need a union to balance out the uneven negotiating power. The house always wins.

bufferoverflow 2y ago
> If Google didn’t tell you the job involved unpaid overtime before you accepted, they’re giving you a pay cut now. Yes. And you have a choice. Agree to it or find some better place. Demands of both employees and employers can be as unreasonable (within the law) as they want. As long as the whole process is voluntary and legal, I'm fine with it. You don't like working long hours for extremely high pay, that's fine. Many people will happily take that deal.

xracy 2y ago

Hi, please finish this thought. Google engineers are paid well so they should have to work twice as hard? Google engineers are paid well, so they shouldn't complain about the contract under which they get paid changing to expect them to work 60-hour weeks? This is a leading comment, but you're not willing to say the quiet part out loud, which is that you think they shouldn't get paid as well because others aren't paid as well. You're arguing for a race to the bottom which doesn't actually help you. You should be arguing for a race to the top (everyone should be paying their employees more), which might actually benefit you.