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Does anyone have any information on the whole "Krasnov" claim, whereby Trump was supposedly recruited by the KGB in the 80's and given the designation "Krasnov"

Does anyone have any information on the whole "Krasnov" claim, whereby Trump was supposedly recruited by the KGB in the 80's and given the designation "Krasnov"?

triyambakam 2y ago
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630
anigbrowl 2y ago
It's pointless to ask. Either you believe the story or you don't, but it's not like you can send a FOIA request to the FSB. It's doomed to remain a single-source allegation, even though I find the claim plausible.
- jimbob45 2y ago
  As plausible as the pee tape?
margalabargala 2y ago
No one is going to comment here wit any information that isn't trivially findable via google.
Muromec 2y ago
It would be beneficial to russia to spread such claims to sabotage US even further even if it's not real. The problem right now -- you can't be 100% sure that it's not. It was believable even before the claim was made.
dboreham 2y ago
There have been multiple books written about this, leaks from MI6, etc etc. It's not at all new and doesn't seem to have been debunked, just kind of glossed over.
UncleOxidant 2y ago
Absolutely no way it can be proven. However, the actions of "Krasnov" certainly seem to point in that direction.
dsr_ 2y ago
Thought experiment: Compare three scenarios, in which: A Trump is not in any way beholden to Russia B Trump has prospective business interests in Russia C Trump follows Russian orders even at the cost of US interests Which of these most easily explains the actual behavior we see?
- pydry 2y ago
  I was expecting something like this to happen in 2023 after the catastrophic summer offensive. That was when it became abundantly clear that Ukraine was losing the war. There wasnt even a viable plan for victory after that it was just... keep giving weapons and keep those fingers crossed. For Trump this is about washing his hands of a war that he understands cannot be won and will become an albatross around his neck if he doesnt disengage. A makes complete sense if you have a full picture of the military industrial situation, but in the west there is very little cognizance of just how badly Ukraine is losing not how limited western options are. "Krasov" is an appealing explanation because it means not facing this bitter reality.
  - echelon 2y ago
    Three years on and Ukraine is still holding its own. There's no reason this couldn't become Russia's Afghanistan 2.0. Moreover, Ukraine's rules of engagement have been severely limited. They've been unable to strike airfields inside Russia even though they have the capacity to do so.
    - pydry 2y ago
      It's really not holding its own. The military situation is dire. Budanov accidentally let slip that they can keep going for another 6 months...1 month ago. That's probably about when a catastrophic line collapse will occur, if not sooner. It's unlikely to become another Afghanistan because A) it does not have Afghanistan's superlative geography for hit and run attacks on supply chains and B) coz this war burned through Ukraine's best troops such that now mostly all they have left are TCC-kidnapped soldiers who would rather submit to Russia than fight.
- 2y ago
moritz64 2y ago
I find it interesting how the Russian news agency TASS quotes the presidential aide of Russia: "The election campaign is over," Patrushev noted. "To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them." https://tass.com/politics/1870713/amp https://tass.com/politics/1870713/amp

Does anyone have any information on the whole "Krasnov" claim, whereby Trump was supposedly recruited by the KGB in the 80's and given the designation "Krasnov"?

triyambakam 2y ago

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630

anigbrowl 2y ago

It's pointless to ask. Either you believe the story or you don't, but it's not like you can send a FOIA request to the FSB. It's doomed to remain a single-source allegation, even though I find the claim plausible.

jimbob45 2y ago
As plausible as the pee tape?

margalabargala 2y ago

No one is going to comment here wit any information that isn't trivially findable via google.

Muromec 2y ago

It would be beneficial to russia to spread such claims to sabotage US even further even if it's not real. The problem right now -- you can't be 100% sure that it's not. It was believable even before the claim was made.

dboreham 2y ago

There have been multiple books written about this, leaks from MI6, etc etc. It's not at all new and doesn't seem to have been debunked, just kind of glossed over.

UncleOxidant 2y ago

Absolutely no way it can be proven. However, the actions of "Krasnov" certainly seem to point in that direction.

dsr_ 2y ago

Thought experiment: Compare three scenarios, in which: A Trump is not in any way beholden to Russia B Trump has prospective business interests in Russia C Trump follows Russian orders even at the cost of US interests Which of these most easily explains the actual behavior we see?

pydry 2y ago
I was expecting something like this to happen in 2023 after the catastrophic summer offensive. That was when it became abundantly clear that Ukraine was losing the war. There wasnt even a viable plan for victory after that it was just... keep giving weapons and keep those fingers crossed. For Trump this is about washing his hands of a war that he understands cannot be won and will become an albatross around his neck if he doesnt disengage. A makes complete sense if you have a full picture of the military industrial situation, but in the west there is very little cognizance of just how badly Ukraine is losing not how limited western options are. "Krasov" is an appealing explanation because it means not facing this bitter reality.
- echelon 2y ago
  Three years on and Ukraine is still holding its own. There's no reason this couldn't become Russia's Afghanistan 2.0. Moreover, Ukraine's rules of engagement have been severely limited. They've been unable to strike airfields inside Russia even though they have the capacity to do so.
  - pydry 2y ago
    It's really not holding its own. The military situation is dire. Budanov accidentally let slip that they can keep going for another 6 months...1 month ago. That's probably about when a catastrophic line collapse will occur, if not sooner. It's unlikely to become another Afghanistan because A) it does not have Afghanistan's superlative geography for hit and run attacks on supply chains and B) coz this war burned through Ukraine's best troops such that now mostly all they have left are TCC-kidnapped soldiers who would rather submit to Russia than fight.
2y ago

moritz64 2y ago

I find it interesting how the Russian news agency TASS quotes the presidential aide of Russia: "The election campaign is over," Patrushev noted. "To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them." https://tass.com/politics/1870713/amp https://tass.com/politics/1870713/amp