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Except there is no reason for a compromise. Russia invaded Ukraine, they're free to withdraw any time they like. I wonder how anti-war you'd be if another count

Except there is no reason for a compromise. Russia invaded Ukraine, they're free to withdraw any time they like. I wonder how anti-war you'd be if another country decided half of yours suddenly belonged to them.

Dig1t 2y ago
There is absolutely a reason for compromise. Ukraine should be opposed to depopulating itself. The current situation is very similar to the trench warfare of WW1. Despite there being a clear initiator of WW1, BOTH sides absolutely had a huge reason to compromise. Over 8 million lives were lost, the reason to compromise was saving those 8 million lives.
- mcv 2y ago
  > Ukraine should be opposed to depopulating itself. And they are. They want the people back that Russia abducted, and the people who still live in the occupied territories. They can't bring back the dead obviously, but they can fight for the living. And for the future. To understand Ukraine's will to fight, you need to understand that they have lived under Moscow's yoke for generations. Their grandparents lived through the Holodomor, their parents lived under Soviet oppression. The current generation has known 30 years of freedom. And now they're faced with the possibility of their children living under Moscow rule again. This is why they fight so hard.
- pjc50 2y ago
  There was never a compromise in WW1, Germany collapsed.
- yazaddaruvala 2y ago
  I empathize with your opinion Dig1t. War is horrible and meat grinders are especially so. But when a victimized population like Ukraine decides it wants to keep fighting. Especially given: > Ukraine should be opposed to depopulating itself. Then you gotta ask yourself: Given they would rather die than suffer the consequences of a compromise. Then maybe they know something about the consequences of that compromise that you and I can’t? and if so, maybe we should continue trusting the victims to not compromise ?
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  This is just an argument for letting powerful countries take over weaker ones, because resistance would result in suffering.
macinjosh 2y ago
I certainly wouldn't expect another random country halfway around the world to foot the bill for my country.
- Jare 2y ago
  Countries all over the world should want to help stop an aggressor before it expands and becomes powerful enough to attack them. It's a no brainer, and you have plenty of examples throughout history. As things stand now, 5 years from now USA could become overrun with russian mobs and oligarch running rampant, and EU faces the real possibility of another continental conflict. I don't think many people around the world are going to enjoy that scenario.

Dig1t 2y ago

There is absolutely a reason for compromise. Ukraine should be opposed to depopulating itself. The current situation is very similar to the trench warfare of WW1. Despite there being a clear initiator of WW1, BOTH sides absolutely had a huge reason to compromise. Over 8 million lives were lost, the reason to compromise was saving those 8 million lives.

mcv 2y ago
> Ukraine should be opposed to depopulating itself. And they are. They want the people back that Russia abducted, and the people who still live in the occupied territories. They can't bring back the dead obviously, but they can fight for the living. And for the future. To understand Ukraine's will to fight, you need to understand that they have lived under Moscow's yoke for generations. Their grandparents lived through the Holodomor, their parents lived under Soviet oppression. The current generation has known 30 years of freedom. And now they're faced with the possibility of their children living under Moscow rule again. This is why they fight so hard.
pjc50 2y ago
There was never a compromise in WW1, Germany collapsed.
yazaddaruvala 2y ago
I empathize with your opinion Dig1t. War is horrible and meat grinders are especially so. But when a victimized population like Ukraine decides it wants to keep fighting. Especially given: > Ukraine should be opposed to depopulating itself. Then you gotta ask yourself: Given they would rather die than suffer the consequences of a compromise. Then maybe they know something about the consequences of that compromise that you and I can’t? and if so, maybe we should continue trusting the victims to not compromise ?
anigbrowl 2y ago
This is just an argument for letting powerful countries take over weaker ones, because resistance would result in suffering.

macinjosh 2y ago

I certainly wouldn't expect another random country halfway around the world to foot the bill for my country.

Jare 2y ago
Countries all over the world should want to help stop an aggressor before it expands and becomes powerful enough to attack them. It's a no brainer, and you have plenty of examples throughout history. As things stand now, 5 years from now USA could become overrun with russian mobs and oligarch running rampant, and EU faces the real possibility of another continental conflict. I don't think many people around the world are going to enjoy that scenario.