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I didn't know Vance was that low-class. Has he always been like that or is it something repulsive he's picking up from Trump? He needs serious exposure to mat

I didn't know Vance was that low-class. Has he always been like that or is it something repulsive he's picking up from Trump? He needs serious exposure to mature, cultured, well-mannered gentlemen and to get some pointers from honest, respectable US presidents and vice-presidents like he's getting none of now. Or he'll never reagin his former integrity, if he actually had enough to make a difference, it makes me wonder.

UltraSane 2y ago
It makes more sense when you understand he is an actor reading the script he is given. He cannot act independently and what he says has no relation to his actual opinions, if he even has any of his own. This is true for most of the GOP at this point. Exceptions include Romney.
- Ar-Curunir 2y ago
  Let’s not strip agency from these people. They didn’t magically end up in these positions, they actively worked for this shit.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    They have used their agency to give up their agency to the GOP hivemind.
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  I too keep thinking of Romney as an exception but his voting record doesn't seem to bear that out. Mitch McConnell has voted against more of Trump's nominees than Romney.
LightBug1 2y ago
Everything Trump touches ... dies. RIP Elon RIP Vance etc
- tdeck 2y ago
  These people got into bed with Trump of their own free will. Maybe there wasn't much to respect about them in the first place?
jszymborski 2y ago
All aspects of Vance's personality expand and contract to fill whatever cause or purpose serves his personal interest. This is evident throughout his career.
gambiting 2y ago
When he went to visit Europe and gave his famous tirade, it was very telling he didn't meet with the German chancellor but met with the leader of AfD, you know, the guys with well proven neo nazi and fascist links. He's not interested in being a gentleman, we're playing a different kind of game now - game where they believe winner takes everything and goals justify the means.
- pantalaimon 2y ago
  JD is a big fan of Curtis Yarvin who popularized the idea that democracy must be overcome and be replaced by some kind of oligarchy. This is what the global alt-right movement, which the AfD is a part of, wants. They see democracy as a weak system and want to replace it by a kind of neo-feudalism. It’s clear that Ukraine, that fights against the Russian version of that system, must be made to be an example than democracy can not win.
- quakeguy 2y ago
  He did meet with the german chancellor, days prior to the meeting with Merz and not in Munich but in Paris.
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zeroCalories 2y ago
he's just a small hillbilly boy from ohio
- dboreham 2y ago
  With eyeliner.
sys_64738 2y ago
He's a muckraker is James Donald.
wilg 2y ago
vance may be the most unlikeable person i have ever heard speak. he just has no charisma and is constantly crying crocodile tears about the dumbest thing you've ever heard of.
mellosouls 2y ago
I can't see this as Vance acting without prior consultation and authorisation from Trump - its too serious a breach of protocol and tradition. For that reason, this smells of a pre-planned ambush.
Cornbilly 2y ago
Former integrity? He got his start cosplaying as a former downtrodden redneck from the holler, when he’s from suburban Ohio.
- dingnuts 2y ago
  I read 2/3 of his book when it came out and nothing pissed me off more than realizing exactly what you just said. His GRANDMOTHER was Appalachian. Not him. He's a fucking carpetbagger
dralley 2y ago
>> But as Romney surveyed the crop of Republicans running for Senate in 2022, it was clear that more Hawleys were on their way. Perhaps most disconcerting was J. D. Vance, the Republican candidate in Ohio. “I don’t know that I can disrespect someone more than J. D. Vance,” Romney told me. They’d first met years earlier, after he read Vance’s best-selling memoir, Hillbilly Elegy. Romney was so impressed with the book that he hosted the author at his annual Park City summit in 2018. Vance, who grew up in a poor, dysfunctional family in Appalachia and went on to graduate from Yale Law School, had seemed bright and thoughtful, with interesting ideas about how Republicans could court the white working class without indulging in toxic Trumpism. Then, in 2021, Vance decided he wanted to run for Senate, and reinvented his entire persona overnight. Suddenly, he was railing against the “childless left” and denouncing Indigenous Peoples’ Day as a “fake holiday” and accusing Joe Biden of manufacturing the opioid crisis “to punish people who didn’t vote for him.” The speed of the MAGA makeover was jarring. >> “I do wonder, how do you make that decision?” Romney mused to me as Vance was degrading himself on the campaign trail that summer. “How can you go over a line so stark as that—and for what?” Romney wished he could grab Vance by the shoulders and scream: This is not worth it! “It’s not like you’re going to be famous and powerful because you became a United States senator. It’s like, really? You sell yourself so cheap?” The prospect of having Vance in the caucus made Romney uncomfortable. “How do you sit next to him at lunch?” https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/mitt-romney-retiring-senate-trump-mcconnell/675306/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/mitt-ro...
dboreham 2y ago
Vance has always been an obsequious pillock.

UltraSane 2y ago

It makes more sense when you understand he is an actor reading the script he is given. He cannot act independently and what he says has no relation to his actual opinions, if he even has any of his own. This is true for most of the GOP at this point. Exceptions include Romney.

Ar-Curunir 2y ago
Let’s not strip agency from these people. They didn’t magically end up in these positions, they actively worked for this shit.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  They have used their agency to give up their agency to the GOP hivemind.
anigbrowl 2y ago
I too keep thinking of Romney as an exception but his voting record doesn't seem to bear that out. Mitch McConnell has voted against more of Trump's nominees than Romney.

LightBug1 2y ago

Everything Trump touches ... dies. RIP Elon RIP Vance etc

tdeck 2y ago
These people got into bed with Trump of their own free will. Maybe there wasn't much to respect about them in the first place?

jszymborski 2y ago

All aspects of Vance's personality expand and contract to fill whatever cause or purpose serves his personal interest. This is evident throughout his career.

gambiting 2y ago

When he went to visit Europe and gave his famous tirade, it was very telling he didn't meet with the German chancellor but met with the leader of AfD, you know, the guys with well proven neo nazi and fascist links. He's not interested in being a gentleman, we're playing a different kind of game now - game where they believe winner takes everything and goals justify the means.

pantalaimon 2y ago
JD is a big fan of Curtis Yarvin who popularized the idea that democracy must be overcome and be replaced by some kind of oligarchy. This is what the global alt-right movement, which the AfD is a part of, wants. They see democracy as a weak system and want to replace it by a kind of neo-feudalism. It’s clear that Ukraine, that fights against the Russian version of that system, must be made to be an example than democracy can not win.
quakeguy 2y ago
He did meet with the german chancellor, days prior to the meeting with Merz and not in Munich but in Paris.

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zeroCalories 2y ago

he's just a small hillbilly boy from ohio

dboreham 2y ago
With eyeliner.

sys_64738 2y ago

He's a muckraker is James Donald.

wilg 2y ago

vance may be the most unlikeable person i have ever heard speak. he just has no charisma and is constantly crying crocodile tears about the dumbest thing you've ever heard of.

mellosouls 2y ago

I can't see this as Vance acting without prior consultation and authorisation from Trump - its too serious a breach of protocol and tradition. For that reason, this smells of a pre-planned ambush.

Cornbilly 2y ago

Former integrity? He got his start cosplaying as a former downtrodden redneck from the holler, when he’s from suburban Ohio.

dingnuts 2y ago
I read 2/3 of his book when it came out and nothing pissed me off more than realizing exactly what you just said. His GRANDMOTHER was Appalachian. Not him. He's a fucking carpetbagger

dralley 2y ago

>> But as Romney surveyed the crop of Republicans running for Senate in 2022, it was clear that more Hawleys were on their way. Perhaps most disconcerting was J. D. Vance, the Republican candidate in Ohio. “I don’t know that I can disrespect someone more than J. D. Vance,” Romney told me. They’d first met years earlier, after he read Vance’s best-selling memoir, Hillbilly Elegy. Romney was so impressed with the book that he hosted the author at his annual Park City summit in 2018. Vance, who grew up in a poor, dysfunctional family in Appalachia and went on to graduate from Yale Law School, had seemed bright and thoughtful, with interesting ideas about how Republicans could court the white working class without indulging in toxic Trumpism. Then, in 2021, Vance decided he wanted to run for Senate, and reinvented his entire persona overnight. Suddenly, he was railing against the “childless left” and denouncing Indigenous Peoples’ Day as a “fake holiday” and accusing Joe Biden of manufacturing the opioid crisis “to punish people who didn’t vote for him.” The speed of the MAGA makeover was jarring. >> “I do wonder, how do you make that decision?” Romney mused to me as Vance was degrading himself on the campaign trail that summer. “How can you go over a line so stark as that—and for what?” Romney wished he could grab Vance by the shoulders and scream: This is not worth it! “It’s not like you’re going to be famous and powerful because you became a United States senator. It’s like, really? You sell yourself so cheap?” The prospect of having Vance in the caucus made Romney uncomfortable. “How do you sit next to him at lunch?” https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/mitt-romney-retiring-senate-trump-mcconnell/675306/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/mitt-ro...

dboreham 2y ago

Vance has always been an obsequious pillock.