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Must we endlessly fund a war that is in stalemate and will continue to savagely end the lives of military and civilian alike? Otherwise, we are a bully? Is it i
by mrcwinn 2y ago
Must we endlessly fund a war that is in stalemate and will continue to savagely end the lives of military and civilian alike? Otherwise, we are a bully? Is it in our interest to continue to run up debt, send overseas ammunition and hardware? To what end? And for how long? I remember wondering the same during Iraq and Afghanistan. Is this really America's permanent responsibility, for any country in the world?
It's quite remarkable the change in America over a couple decades. In the 90s, the left was solidly pro-free-speech and anti-war. Anti-war sometimes to a fault, even. Maybe aside from some censorship effort of rap and Mortal Kombat, you could count on the left to defend free speech at nearly any cost.
Now, it is the left that seems interested in doubling down on wars, without any plan for escape, and of "reigning in" speech deemed by some as harmful.
I'm not here to say correct or incorrect. Pick your own ice cream flavor. My point is that it's striking how much the parties have flipped 180 degrees (on some issues).
- i_love_retros 2y ago[flagged]
- i_love_retros 2y agoAnd they way they are trying to bully Ukraine into a minerals agreement and rebuilding agreement to strip Ukraine of everything it has. Trump doesn't care about peace, he wants to make money
- mrcwinn 2y agoIf the war ends, that is peace. Do you believe Ukraine will be better off financially by continuing the war, even if it is on America’s credit card? They will not flourish in the present state, however noble they believe the effort is. War is not fair.
- just-ok 2y agoUkraine has lost massive amounts of lives, territory, and foreign funding under his leadership; Zelensky effectively has zero negotiating power. Where are the voices that simply want the war to end so people stop dying? It’s easy to say bully this and ally that from the comfort of your office while hundreds of thousands of people die in a strip of land most “supporters” couldn’t point out on a map. At this point there’s a collective ego tied to the outcome more than there is any care for the actual people involved.
- anonymousDan 2y agoSome things are worth fighting for you quisling.
- just-ok 2y agoAs long as someone else does the fighting, right? Last I checked, the majority of Ukrainians themselves want a quick end to the war. [1]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-ne...
- ceejayoz 2y agoI want a million dollars. Very much! That doesn't mean I'll accept your proposal to rob a bank.
- sterlind 2y agoWhat a dogshit poll. There were three options given: 1. Ukraine should continue fighting until it wins the war. 2. Ukraine should seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible. 3. Don't know/Refused. "Ukraine should surrender unconditionally" and "Ukraine should negotiate permanent security guarantees" and "Ukraine should fight its way into a better negotiating position" are all in the same bucket. This is maliciously bad poll design.
- Tr3nton 2y ago[dead]
- School-Cotton 2y agoI’m a bully for how someone I don’t know treated someone else I don’t know, because he happens to be the head of state of the country I live in?
- j_maffe 2y agoYou, as in the country.
- School-Cotton 2y agoI am not a country. Nor are countries sentient beings with intentions; they are abstract entities. “We” didn’t bully anyone — one or two specific people did.
- mrguyorama 2y agoYes. Democracy means we are culpable for what our leaders do.
- School-Cotton 2y agoThat is a very expansive understanding of democracy that would, for example, imply that indiscriminately targeting civilians in a war is justifiable.
- usernomdeguerre 2y agoNo, it doesn't.
- i_love_retros 2y agoRead the parent comment. > Must we endlessly fund a war that is in stalemate and will continue to savagely end the lives of military and civilian alike? Otherwise, we are a bully?
- Ferret7446 2y agoZelensky is an adult, a leader of a country, who has many lives in his hands. He is not a baby that needs to be coddled.
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- brazzy 2y agoAs opposed to Trump, who is an adult, a leader of a country, who has many lives in his hands, and behaves like a baby that needs to be coddled.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago> and of "reigning in" speech deemed by some as harmful. Can you cite any legislative efforts anywhere in the USA by any elected Democrat that limits, coerces or in anyway "reigns in" speech of any sort?
- no_exit 2y agohttps://www.timesofisrael.com/schumer-pushing-to-codify-ihra-antisemitism-definition-amid-free-speech-concerns/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/schumer-pushing-to-codify-ihra... https://democraticleader.house.gov/media/press-releases/letter-speaker-mike-johnson-bipartisan-countering-antisemitism-act https://democraticleader.house.gov/media/press-releases/lett...
- krelian 2y agoThis is a defensive war. This is the lesson we learned when the world did nothing to stop Hitler's initial aggression. This is the moment of truth. Doing nothing is easy, it's the default. We now know the possible consequences and we've made our mind to not let that happen again. Have we learned nothing?
- mcphage 2y ago> Is it in our interest to continue to run up debt, send overseas ammunition and hardware? Whose economy gets the money spent? If it's ours—and it is—then yes, it's obviously in our interest to continue to run up debt.
- nomel 2y agoIt's not great to ignore inflation and debt. There's a long list of failed governments who tried.