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Dear Americans, please do something. Protest, write letters to congressmen etc. We Germans went through all of this 90 years ago..
by pillefitz 2y ago
Dear Americans, please do something. Protest, write letters to congressmen etc. We Germans went through all of this 90 years ago..
- dimgl 2y agoCan you explain how this mirrors what happened in Germany?
- LightBug1 2y ago[flagged]
- pillefitz 2y ago"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller"
- linguistbreaker 2y agoAnd how did you stop it?
- nicbou 2y agoBy giving Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany
- jimmydoe 2y agoIt's lost, at least till mid term.
- soared 2y agoDoes anyone know what an average citizen can do that will have an impact? I’ve called my reps office in DC before but I don’t know if that does anything.
- gtsop 2y agoOrganise a political revolution. Nothing less than that will have an actual impact
- _ink_ 2y agoUnionize and go on strike. Like nationwide.
- spiderfarmer 2y agoLearn from France.
- scoofy 2y agoWhat do you think we've been doing? I've spent literally two decades of my life advocating policies to try to prevent this from happening... the left is blind to their decadence and the right has gone insane.
- yolo3000 2y agoPeople complained that the Russians didn't protest more at the beginning of the war, and here you have the Americans, who won't be sent to Siberia or thrown out of a window, doing nothing.
- cmrdporcupine 2y agoAmerican liberals are so full of lifelong indoctrination into thinking that laws, courts, and constitutions are what hold up democracy ... they're just going in circles for the last 10 years expecting the next election or court decision to save them. They have no real concept of the mobilization of people power, street protest, disobedience because it's been stripped from the ideological palette of American liberalism. Those on the left who do hold these concepts of opposition are deliberately marginalized by their two party system. Just like with Russians and the war, the world cannot expect domestic dissent within these countries to save them. It's up to the people of Europe & Canada to form alliances and do the best we can.
- fishcrackers 2y ago[dead]
- crystal_revenge 2y agoAmerican liberal propaganda is so powerful because liberals sincerely are incapable of seeing it because they take it as fact. What's odd is that, despite considering themselves "left", no one them seem to have gotten through enough Marx to understand the concept of "ideology" which is the basis for their distorted worldview. I always felt this 4chan Harry Potter copypasta perfectly captured contemporary American liberal ideology: https://preview.redd.it/qiqe74sl19141.jpg?auto=webp&s=07645c6452259b7e90ae9a35be864d3adadcb3b1 https://preview.redd.it/qiqe74sl19141.jpg?auto=webp&s=07645c...
- cmrdporcupine 2y agoYou're greying-out because you used the M word. I learned a long time ago to present the concepts, not the name, while on this forum.
- nxm 2y agoExcept I want peace in Ukraine finally, and not billions of dollars wasted and more lives killed because Zelensky doesn’t love a potential peace deal. Don’t compare apples and oranges…loses credibility.
- topherpalmtree 2y agoIt's a ceasefire, not a peace deal. With a party who has no history of honoring ceasefires. Trump wants all of their mineral resources for a flimsy ceasefire. With no concessions from Russia. It's a bad deal. Would you fold because people would die when your sovereignty is threatened?
- crystal_revenge 2y agoIt will always be a bad deal for Ukraine. This has never been about Ukraine, it as been about who will control their resources Russia, NATO Europe or the US. For that last two years Europe and the US have assumed they were on the same team and Trump is simply decided in might make more sense for us to side with Russia. There was no future where the Ukraine was not exploited by fossil fuel companies and only propaganda separates which is the "good" side to control these and which is the "bad". I'm genuinely surprised by the mass naivete surrounding this war.
- topherpalmtree 2y agoAs far as the US and allies are concerned, this is very simply a war for the protection of Ukraine's sovereignty. Now that the US changed into a wannabe imperialistic nation, the picture is not so clear.
- crystal_revenge 2y ago> this is very simply a war for the protection of Ukraine's sovereignty This is objectively not true. The US government absolutely participated in over throwing the existing pro-Russian government around 2014. The US does not fight wars for "moral principles" like sovereignty, they do it so they can maintain control over fossil fuel resources. This war, like all wars, is a war of different wealthy individual and organization to control resources. All other views are propaganda generated to gather support for the loss of human life in the interest of oligarchs across the globe. > Now that the US changed into a wannabe imperialistic nation, I'm not sure I know anyone who has paid attention to global politics since WWII who would not describe the US as an "imperialistic nation". If you earnestly believe this is some new turn in US history you have a lot of catching up to do on our involvement in overthrowing governments around the globe to maintain US friendly leadership in counteries that control key strategic resources.
- brickfaced 2y ago[flagged]
- nullstyle 2y ago[flagged]
- otterley 2y agoConsider instead that Donald Trump may be more like Neville Chamberlain, who wanted to appease Hitler ("peace in our time"). Your family may well have perished instead of been liberated had Chamberlain's doctrine remained in effect, and you may well have never been born. It's not that Trump is a Nazi himself, but rather that Trump is enabling other tyrants like Vladimir Putin to pose grave threats like the ones to Ukraine today. If liberation is something you really care about in light of your family’s journey, Ukraine is a great team to cheer for.
- brickfaced 2y agoThe first Trump administration lifted Obama's ban on lethal aid to Ukraine and supplied and trained Ukrainians on Javelin anti-tank missiles, night vision devices, counter-battery fire radar systems, and secure battlefield communications equipment among other things. The proposition that Trump is an appeaser does not bear scrutiny. Neither does the speculation that Russia might be capable of or interested in a wider war with Europe, let alone the USA.
- otterley 2y ago> The proposition that Trump is an appeaser does not bear scrutiny. Neither does the speculation that Russia might be capable of or interested in a wider war with Europe, let alone the USA. OK, then why shouldn't we call Russia's bluff and tell them to get out of Ukraine, or else? That would surely restore peace if you are correct.
- brickfaced 2y agoYou can tell Russia whatever you want, but you can't threaten the existence of the Russian state with American military might backed by the credible threat of nuclear weapons. That has a significant chance of provoking a nuclear Russian response.
- crystal_revenge 2y agoAuthoritarian governments don't collapse because of the "will of the people", that's a myth perpetuated by those in power to legitimize their positions. The major driver is the material conditions a society exists in. We are beginnign to experience the contraction of the global economy, and as material conditions worsen, expect everything else to follow suit. Democracy doesn't bring prosperity, it a consequence of prosperity. The comparisons of Trump to Hitler as also mind-numbingly facile. Other than a penchant for authoritarianism, they share little in common. But what they do share in common is they are both emergent phenomena of their contemporary environments.
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