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> There's a difference between "siding with Russia" and siding with negotiated peace. There is absolutely no difference, when the US is negotiating that peace

> There's a difference between "siding with Russia" and siding with negotiated peace. There is absolutely no difference, when the US is negotiating that peace only with Russia, without Ukraine in the room. With Trump administration officials not able to name a single compromise they’ve asked from Russia. If the “negotiated peace” is “I asked the country that invaded you what they want, and you must do everything they asked for”, that’s not negotiation. I will never understand how people can be so quick to abandon independence nations, and are so willing to bow to dictators. You would cheer Chamberlain submitting to Hitler as he launches an invasion as a momentous day for peace. You would be wrong then, and you are wrong now.

1234letshaveatw 2y ago
"stop advancing" is the compromise asked from Russia
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  They already stopped advancing 6 months ago.
  - anon291 2y ago
    Exactly... so what's the purpose of continuing the fight and killing Russian and Ukrainian men for no reason? This forum used to be a strong supporter of men's rights, but apparently these disappear once we dehumanize them via international relations. There's literally no reason for any individual Russian or Ukrainian man to die right now, since we all agree that no territory is being gained or lost.
    - actionfromafar 2y ago
      There are 2 important reasons. The reason for Ukrainian men to die, is to protect their families from being tortured by Russians when the Russians take another city. The reason for Russian men to die, is to not be murdered by their own officer.
      - anon291 2y ago
        Is that why Ukrainian men are being dragged kicking and screaming off the streets?
        n4r9 2y ago
        OP was giving a good reason for Ukrainians to fight. Whether Ukrainians are actually listening to those reasons is another matter.
    - int_19h 2y ago
      Russian and Ukrainian men would stop dying if Russia withdrew its military from Ukraine.

1234letshaveatw 2y ago

"stop advancing" is the compromise asked from Russia

actionfromafar 2y ago
They already stopped advancing 6 months ago.
- anon291 2y ago
  Exactly... so what's the purpose of continuing the fight and killing Russian and Ukrainian men for no reason? This forum used to be a strong supporter of men's rights, but apparently these disappear once we dehumanize them via international relations. There's literally no reason for any individual Russian or Ukrainian man to die right now, since we all agree that no territory is being gained or lost.
  - actionfromafar 2y ago
    There are 2 important reasons. The reason for Ukrainian men to die, is to protect their families from being tortured by Russians when the Russians take another city. The reason for Russian men to die, is to not be murdered by their own officer.
    - anon291 2y ago
      Is that why Ukrainian men are being dragged kicking and screaming off the streets?
      - n4r9 2y ago
        OP was giving a good reason for Ukrainians to fight. Whether Ukrainians are actually listening to those reasons is another matter.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    Russian and Ukrainian men would stop dying if Russia withdrew its military from Ukraine.