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How does this statement [0] align with the claim in the title? Much less that Mozilla 'announced' such a thing. > Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you (in the w

by ezekg 2y ago

How does this statement [0] align with the claim in the title? Much less that Mozilla 'announced' such a thing. > Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you (in the way that most people think about “selling data“), and we don’t buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of “sale of data“ is extremely broad in some places, we’ve had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP). Maybe we can all take a step back before jumping to conclusions so quickly. This feels more like legal posturing than a malicious change. [0]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/

JohnFen 2y ago
> the LEGAL definition of “sale of data“ is extremely broad in some places > We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners This. What they seem to be saying is that -- at best -- they're riding so close to the edge of selling data that strict legal interpretations of the term "sale" have become important to them. It sounds like they're doing some shenanigans like not providing access to raw data, but doing some of the processing advertisers would do and selling that data.
devilsdata 2y ago
You're correct that that statement conflicts with my post– I had only read diff in their `Tos copy updates` commit [0]. I also had just woken up, so I used the word announce incorrectly– I meant to say the diff implied it. Thanks for your post. It's possible that they're preparing to sell our data, but it's also possible, based on the wording, that they're telling the truth about needing to change their privacy policy for different legal jurisdictions. I do however want to raise a concern that Mozilla is currently facing a funding crisis[1], and they are likely scrambling to find a way to monetise something. I've edited the title and description of my post for accuracy. [0]: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#diff-a24e74e4595fa85440a2f4e7e5dcfe68aba6e1e593aef05a2d35581a91423847L60 https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... [1]: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5985554/mozilla-faces-financial-uncertainty-after-google-loses-lawsuit https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5985554/mozilla-faces-financ...

by ezekg 2y ago

JohnFen 2y ago

> the LEGAL definition of “sale of data“ is extremely broad in some places > We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners This. What they seem to be saying is that -- at best -- they're riding so close to the edge of selling data that strict legal interpretations of the term "sale" have become important to them. It sounds like they're doing some shenanigans like not providing access to raw data, but doing some of the processing advertisers would do and selling that data.

devilsdata 2y ago

You're correct that that statement conflicts with my post– I had only read diff in their `Tos copy updates` commit [0]. I also had just woken up, so I used the word announce incorrectly– I meant to say the diff implied it. Thanks for your post. It's possible that they're preparing to sell our data, but it's also possible, based on the wording, that they're telling the truth about needing to change their privacy policy for different legal jurisdictions. I do however want to raise a concern that Mozilla is currently facing a funding crisis[1], and they are likely scrambling to find a way to monetise something. I've edited the title and description of my post for accuracy. [0]: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#diff-a24e74e4595fa85440a2f4e7e5dcfe68aba6e1e593aef05a2d35581a91423847L60 https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... [1]: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5985554/mozilla-faces-financial-uncertainty-after-google-loses-lawsuit https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5985554/mozilla-faces-financ...