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> it’s hard to understand It's not. If you're a remotely rational American right now you are experiencing large amounts of grief. This is just the denial stag

> it’s hard to understand It's not. If you're a remotely rational American right now you are experiencing large amounts of grief. This is just the denial stage of grief.

Trasmatta 2y ago
I've been going through a huge amount of grief since the election. I thought I had moved onto acceptance, but anger keeps resurfacing.
- callc 2y ago
  Stay strong, use this as a opportunity to become a better person. Just do the opposite of Trump / Musk, it will get you so close to being a saint.
  - Trasmatta 2y ago
    I started by donating $100 to Ukraine just now.
    - fransje26 2y ago
      Careful. The way things are evolving, this could soon be seen as financing of a "terrorist state". Make sure you cover your traces.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - drusenko 2y ago
        You’re not wrong, but also, please stop spreading cowardly messages. Take appropriate precautions but don’t be preemptively compliant.
  - ActorNightly 2y ago
    >Just do the opposite of Trump / Musk, it will get you so close to being a saint. yeah that didn't really work out that well with Kamala. Problem is, over half the country just doesn't give a shit. Its easy to lose yourself on places like Hacker News and Reddit and think this is the general sentiment, but in reality, on the average 8/10 people around you in US either didn't vote or voted for Trump.
- jonathanlb 2y ago
  It's a cyclical process.
scoofy 2y ago
Grief is a good way to put it. I know everyone is reinforcing their priors, and mine has been the "Housing Theory of Everything" for the last decade -- and longer than that if you count my mid-2000's (admittedly naive) urban-environmentalism advocacy. It's was a pretty niche area for advocacy until recently... I'm pretty sure I was the first official Strong Towns member in SF. I'm just blown away that even after the first Trump presidency, and now during the second, that the left still has no serious intention of addressing any of the legitimate grievances that working class has. It's genuinely bananas to see so many people fleeing California for Texas and hearing "good riddance." I'm basically broken at this point, and I feel like fighting for basic, practical and sustainable policies, policies that just make sense, is pointless. https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-everything/ https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-every... https://www.strongtowns.org/about https://www.strongtowns.org/about
- danny_codes 2y ago
  Couldn’t agree more. Not a peep about land use reform or even any real action on income inequality. DNC offers nothing and is somehow surprised people rejected inaction.
  - scoofy 2y ago
    I mean, I think it's worse than that. I grew up in Austin, and still have family there. The fact that a lefty like me is regularly siding with state Republicans against local Democrats on housing policy is legitimately insane. Austin is basically the only city with dropping housing prices right now and that's happening in large part in spite of city policy, not because of it. Yes, the Republicans are creating tons of new sprawl there, and that's bad, but it's a crisis, not some long term concern we can fiddle with the knobs over. Obviously, the sustainability parts of me don't like sprawl (especially from a Strong Towns perspective), but it's not like the Dems there are upzoning anything more than a token number of corridors. I've had a perpetual criticism of my fellow Dems since my days of naive urban-enviornmentalism: as long as "the bus is for other people" we won't have good public transit. The same goes for housing. As long as lefties don't actually want to live in a multi-unit European-style townhouses in walkable neighborhoods, we're not going to actually do anything substantial about housing or climate change, but with token projects we can pretend we will... and proceed to keep failing working people.
wilg 2y ago
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- epgui 2y ago
  If you think it's fake you're misunderstanding its purpose. Its purpose is not to describe how the brain works at a mechanical level, its purpose is to be a useful concept. And it is a useful concept.
DamnYuppie 2y ago
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- sebazzz 2y ago
  Not all dollars spend translate back to direct dollars earned, but rather political power or influence - which itself is a catalyser for other benefits. But some don’t seem to understand that.
  - DamnYuppie 2y ago
    Some understand it fine but are realizing the influence we get isn't worth it. Stop acting like we are idiots for not wanting to engage with geopolitical power games as much as we have been. We know our history, we know our place in the world, we understand all the trade offs, and we may actually not feel they are worth it at this time. It is the constant refrain of "if they disagree with us they are not informed or are not as intelligent as we are". It is as if they can't believe people could have informed opinions that differ from theirs...wild...
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      "America first, you don't like it get out" is not typically what one says when they have a nuanced understanding of geopolitics.
      - DamnYuppie 2y ago
        Why can’t it? Stating that America should prioritize itself is a direct and unapologetic stance. Brevity is not a lack of thought—it’s efficient communication. Dismissing a position because it’s concise rather than engaging with its merits is a weak argument. I recognize that some dislike this perspective and will seize any opportunity to undermine it, but that doesn’t make it any less valid.
        saagarjha 2y ago

> it’s hard to understand It's not. If you're a remotely rational American right now you are experiencing large amounts of grief. This is just the denial stage of grief.

Trasmatta 2y ago

I've been going through a huge amount of grief since the election. I thought I had moved onto acceptance, but anger keeps resurfacing.

callc 2y ago
Stay strong, use this as a opportunity to become a better person. Just do the opposite of Trump / Musk, it will get you so close to being a saint.
- Trasmatta 2y ago
  I started by donating $100 to Ukraine just now.
  - fransje26 2y ago
    Careful. The way things are evolving, this could soon be seen as financing of a "terrorist state". Make sure you cover your traces.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - drusenko 2y ago
      You’re not wrong, but also, please stop spreading cowardly messages. Take appropriate precautions but don’t be preemptively compliant.
- ActorNightly 2y ago
  >Just do the opposite of Trump / Musk, it will get you so close to being a saint. yeah that didn't really work out that well with Kamala. Problem is, over half the country just doesn't give a shit. Its easy to lose yourself on places like Hacker News and Reddit and think this is the general sentiment, but in reality, on the average 8/10 people around you in US either didn't vote or voted for Trump.
jonathanlb 2y ago
It's a cyclical process.

scoofy 2y ago

Grief is a good way to put it. I know everyone is reinforcing their priors, and mine has been the "Housing Theory of Everything" for the last decade -- and longer than that if you count my mid-2000's (admittedly naive) urban-environmentalism advocacy. It's was a pretty niche area for advocacy until recently... I'm pretty sure I was the first official Strong Towns member in SF. I'm just blown away that even after the first Trump presidency, and now during the second, that the left still has no serious intention of addressing any of the legitimate grievances that working class has. It's genuinely bananas to see so many people fleeing California for Texas and hearing "good riddance." I'm basically broken at this point, and I feel like fighting for basic, practical and sustainable policies, policies that just make sense, is pointless. https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-everything/ https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-every... https://www.strongtowns.org/about https://www.strongtowns.org/about

danny_codes 2y ago
Couldn’t agree more. Not a peep about land use reform or even any real action on income inequality. DNC offers nothing and is somehow surprised people rejected inaction.
- scoofy 2y ago
  I mean, I think it's worse than that. I grew up in Austin, and still have family there. The fact that a lefty like me is regularly siding with state Republicans against local Democrats on housing policy is legitimately insane. Austin is basically the only city with dropping housing prices right now and that's happening in large part in spite of city policy, not because of it. Yes, the Republicans are creating tons of new sprawl there, and that's bad, but it's a crisis, not some long term concern we can fiddle with the knobs over. Obviously, the sustainability parts of me don't like sprawl (especially from a Strong Towns perspective), but it's not like the Dems there are upzoning anything more than a token number of corridors. I've had a perpetual criticism of my fellow Dems since my days of naive urban-enviornmentalism: as long as "the bus is for other people" we won't have good public transit. The same goes for housing. As long as lefties don't actually want to live in a multi-unit European-style townhouses in walkable neighborhoods, we're not going to actually do anything substantial about housing or climate change, but with token projects we can pretend we will... and proceed to keep failing working people.

wilg 2y ago

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epgui 2y ago
If you think it's fake you're misunderstanding its purpose. Its purpose is not to describe how the brain works at a mechanical level, its purpose is to be a useful concept. And it is a useful concept.

DamnYuppie 2y ago

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sebazzz 2y ago
Not all dollars spend translate back to direct dollars earned, but rather political power or influence - which itself is a catalyser for other benefits. But some don’t seem to understand that.
- DamnYuppie 2y ago
  Some understand it fine but are realizing the influence we get isn't worth it. Stop acting like we are idiots for not wanting to engage with geopolitical power games as much as we have been. We know our history, we know our place in the world, we understand all the trade offs, and we may actually not feel they are worth it at this time. It is the constant refrain of "if they disagree with us they are not informed or are not as intelligent as we are". It is as if they can't believe people could have informed opinions that differ from theirs...wild...
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    "America first, you don't like it get out" is not typically what one says when they have a nuanced understanding of geopolitics.
    - DamnYuppie 2y ago
      Why can’t it? Stating that America should prioritize itself is a direct and unapologetic stance. Brevity is not a lack of thought—it’s efficient communication. Dismissing a position because it’s concise rather than engaging with its merits is a weak argument. I recognize that some dislike this perspective and will seize any opportunity to undermine it, but that doesn’t make it any less valid.
      - saagarjha 2y ago