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With the current string of SCOTUS decisions, Trump can have the VP shot at dawn, declare it an official act, and elect Musk as the new VP.

by nikanj 2y ago

Jtsummers 2y ago
That would not be directing him to vacate the office, but yes he could probably do that. But he wouldn't elect Musk, he could nominate Musk. He'd still need Congress (beholden to Musk for their future seats if GOP) to confirm him. But you also have to be qualified to be President to be Vice President, so Musk would be disqualified anyways.
- plagiarist 2y ago
  Who is going to disqualify him? Republicans would just invent some doublethink for why it is okay for this particular African to have that role. The extremely partisan SCOTUS will allow it, and that will be that.
  - Jtsummers 2y ago
    If SCOTUS says it's ok, then the US Constitution is completely tossed out and SCOTUS has no authority to say anything. That's not to say they wouldn't make a decision like that, but to disregard the literal text of the Constitution would make both Congress and SCOTUS unnecessary, they can be scrapped in seconds with an EO after a decision like that.
    - GolfPopper 2y ago
      We've already had that decision, last year. Trump v. Anderson. Per the Supreme Court, if Congress doesn't explicitly call something out down to the last detail and already have anyone potentially impacted on double-secret probation, then oops, too bad, nothing anyone else can do to enforce the Constitution. The Vice-President and President need to meet the standards in the Constitution? Did Congress pass a law establishing how those standards are to be judged and enforced? No? Guess they don't matter then. If Congress wanted, it could pass a law and Trump could sign it. Unless that happens, the Constitution is just unenforceable. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - plagiarist 2y ago
      IMO they have been ignoring the literal text of the Constitution for quite some time.
    - vharuck 2y ago
      They'd pull the same stunt that they did for Trump. If Trump had been convicted for the Jan 6th riot, that would've disqualified him from becoming president. So SCOTUS dragged out the appeal that reached them. Then their decision made it ridiculously burdensome to continue. If Musk were nominated as vice president and somebody sued, SCOTUS could drag out that case past the end of the term. Then they'd drop it as moot.
croisillon 2y ago
if a foreign born person can not become president, i guess they can't become vp either?
- wilg 2y ago
  that is correct but the OP's point is that SCOTUS won't care about that
  - croisillon 2y ago
    right, ok
ben_w 2y ago
> elect Musk as the new VP I think Musk is unconstitutional for that role? Not natural born Anerican.
- black_puppydog 2y ago
  Those rules surely only apply to regular peasants^Wsubjects^Wpeople
  - ben_w 2y ago
    I don't know what would get the military to refuse orders, but I suspect that openly disregarding the constitution is one of the more likely.
    - wilg 2y ago
      you just launder a SCOTUS decision with some braindead argument and 50% of the country will believe it overnight
      - ben_w 2y ago
        Sure, and I'd default to assuming the % in the military is always higher because they're trained to follow orders. But if anything makes some among them say "to allow this would be to violate my oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", then disregarding the constitution would be it. I'm not saying the administration wouldn't try it. I am suggesting that it may lead to a demonstration of how NIJ RF3 doesn't stop 120×570mm NATO.
    - ttyprintk 2y ago
      There’s a strong argument to go with who has the most satellites.
casenmgreen 2y ago
In Russia they say, "we have lots of laws, just no one pays any attention to them". Russia is a law-less State. Concur with how things are progressing now in USA. Congress and Senate both subverted by too many voters being deceived by D. Elections not well-informed, so not actually functional.

With the current string of SCOTUS decisions, Trump can have the VP shot at dawn, declare it an official act, and elect Musk as the new VP.

by nikanj 2y ago

With the current string of SCOTUS decisions, Trump can have the VP shot at dawn, declare it an official act, and elect Musk as the new VP.

Jtsummers 2y ago

That would not be directing him to vacate the office, but yes he could probably do that. But he wouldn't elect Musk, he could nominate Musk. He'd still need Congress (beholden to Musk for their future seats if GOP) to confirm him. But you also have to be qualified to be President to be Vice President, so Musk would be disqualified anyways.

plagiarist 2y ago
Who is going to disqualify him? Republicans would just invent some doublethink for why it is okay for this particular African to have that role. The extremely partisan SCOTUS will allow it, and that will be that.
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  If SCOTUS says it's ok, then the US Constitution is completely tossed out and SCOTUS has no authority to say anything. That's not to say they wouldn't make a decision like that, but to disregard the literal text of the Constitution would make both Congress and SCOTUS unnecessary, they can be scrapped in seconds with an EO after a decision like that.
  - GolfPopper 2y ago
    We've already had that decision, last year. Trump v. Anderson. Per the Supreme Court, if Congress doesn't explicitly call something out down to the last detail and already have anyone potentially impacted on double-secret probation, then oops, too bad, nothing anyone else can do to enforce the Constitution. The Vice-President and President need to meet the standards in the Constitution? Did Congress pass a law establishing how those standards are to be judged and enforced? No? Guess they don't matter then. If Congress wanted, it could pass a law and Trump could sign it. Unless that happens, the Constitution is just unenforceable. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - plagiarist 2y ago
    IMO they have been ignoring the literal text of the Constitution for quite some time.
  - vharuck 2y ago
    They'd pull the same stunt that they did for Trump. If Trump had been convicted for the Jan 6th riot, that would've disqualified him from becoming president. So SCOTUS dragged out the appeal that reached them. Then their decision made it ridiculously burdensome to continue. If Musk were nominated as vice president and somebody sued, SCOTUS could drag out that case past the end of the term. Then they'd drop it as moot.

croisillon 2y ago

if a foreign born person can not become president, i guess they can't become vp either?

wilg 2y ago
that is correct but the OP's point is that SCOTUS won't care about that
- croisillon 2y ago
  right, ok

ben_w 2y ago

> elect Musk as the new VP I think Musk is unconstitutional for that role? Not natural born Anerican.

black_puppydog 2y ago
Those rules surely only apply to regular peasants^Wsubjects^Wpeople
- ben_w 2y ago
  I don't know what would get the military to refuse orders, but I suspect that openly disregarding the constitution is one of the more likely.
  - wilg 2y ago
    you just launder a SCOTUS decision with some braindead argument and 50% of the country will believe it overnight
    - ben_w 2y ago
      Sure, and I'd default to assuming the % in the military is always higher because they're trained to follow orders. But if anything makes some among them say "to allow this would be to violate my oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", then disregarding the constitution would be it. I'm not saying the administration wouldn't try it. I am suggesting that it may lead to a demonstration of how NIJ RF3 doesn't stop 120×570mm NATO.
  - ttyprintk 2y ago
    There’s a strong argument to go with who has the most satellites.

casenmgreen 2y ago

In Russia they say, "we have lots of laws, just no one pays any attention to them". Russia is a law-less State. Concur with how things are progressing now in USA. Congress and Senate both subverted by too many voters being deceived by D. Elections not well-informed, so not actually functional.