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what? you don't have negotiations in public at a press conference. what is trump negotiating here? terms that Ukraine won't accept? what resolution will come ou

what? you don't have negotiations in public at a press conference. what is trump negotiating here? terms that Ukraine won't accept? what resolution will come out of this outside of hardening Ukrainian resolve, bolstering Zelensky and getting Europe to fund the war? Trump, the master negotiator /s A shameful, tactless and pre-planned display. it's easy to blame trump and vance but the true losers here are the American people. American soft power is critical to America's economic power.

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castlefreak 2y ago
I actually agree that it was a planned dressing down for optics sakes but the attempt is to try to get Zelenskyy out of the way for Trump / Putin direct deal to settle Ukraine matter and the success of this strategy will depend on whether the MAGA media hype will drown out the soft power enjoyers in terms of messaging.
tonymet 2y ago
What can europe fund the war with? Even if they can come up with the gold, who are they going to buy the weapons from?
- acdha 2y ago
  Gold? It’s not the 19th century anymore and if you look at list of arms manufacturers you’ll find a lot of familiar names who take euros: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armament_manufacturers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armament_manufa...
  - tonymet 2y ago
    the only way to get euros is with gold. The grain & minerals aren't being produced because he killed off his labor force (young men, and the old ones)
    - acdha 2y ago
      You asked what Europe can fund the war with. The euro zone has a $20 trillion dollar GDP and extensive domestic manufacturing so it’s not clear why you think they need gold to use their own tax revenue.
      - tonymet 2y ago
        Ukraine isn’t Europe. Ukraine doesn’t have euros , gold, grain or minerals (out of the ground). And the men have been killed , so they don’t have any way to get that to pay for the weapons
        acdha 2y ago
        You asked “What can europe fund the war with?” Did you mean to write “Ukraine” instead of “europe”? Otherwise it seems weird to say that the EU can’t take euros, give them to manufacturers in the EU, and disagree the weapons to Ukraine.
        tonymet 2y ago
        Both.

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castlefreak 2y ago

I actually agree that it was a planned dressing down for optics sakes but the attempt is to try to get Zelenskyy out of the way for Trump / Putin direct deal to settle Ukraine matter and the success of this strategy will depend on whether the MAGA media hype will drown out the soft power enjoyers in terms of messaging.

tonymet 2y ago

What can europe fund the war with? Even if they can come up with the gold, who are they going to buy the weapons from?

acdha 2y ago
Gold? It’s not the 19th century anymore and if you look at list of arms manufacturers you’ll find a lot of familiar names who take euros: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armament_manufacturers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armament_manufa...
- tonymet 2y ago
  the only way to get euros is with gold. The grain & minerals aren't being produced because he killed off his labor force (young men, and the old ones)
  - acdha 2y ago
    You asked what Europe can fund the war with. The euro zone has a $20 trillion dollar GDP and extensive domestic manufacturing so it’s not clear why you think they need gold to use their own tax revenue.
    - tonymet 2y ago
      Ukraine isn’t Europe. Ukraine doesn’t have euros , gold, grain or minerals (out of the ground). And the men have been killed , so they don’t have any way to get that to pay for the weapons
      - acdha 2y ago
        You asked “What can europe fund the war with?” Did you mean to write “Ukraine” instead of “europe”? Otherwise it seems weird to say that the EU can’t take euros, give them to manufacturers in the EU, and disagree the weapons to Ukraine.
        tonymet 2y ago
        Both.