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There was an opinion poll amongst British on this and apparently even Brits don’t trust America anymore. Only %44 believe that US will come to their help if Ru

by mrtksn 2y ago

There was an opinion poll amongst British on this and apparently even Brits don’t trust America anymore. Only %44 believe that US will come to their help if Russia attacks UK. Yougov: https://x.com/yougov/status/1893967204846063823?s=46 https://x.com/yougov/status/1893967204846063823?s=46

kelseydh 2y ago
I'm curious if there is any polling data on British willingness to help Canada should they face invasion from the U.S. Canada being a commonwealth country with their King as their head of state.
- movingontonext 2y ago
  King as head of state, as of 2022.
  - xgkickt 2y ago
    Since there are already Kings of both Canada and Denmark, if Trump wants to be a King too, let them settle it the old way.
  - sylware 2y ago
    Training data too old............
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  The US already invaded a commonwealth country with the British Queen as head of state: Grenada in 1983.
aeim 2y ago
well, after all we've been through together, i expect the french might find the opportunity for us to "owe them one, publicly" quite irresistible... (which is significant because, "after all they went through the last few times", their "find out" policy is a little punchier than most) and i don't think that anyone really wants that course of events...
gottorf 2y ago
Heck, less than half of Western Europeans would fight to defend their own country[0]. In the UK, only a third of people surveyed would do so. That's less than those who believe that the US would come to their aid! I don't think the blame is on America here. [0]: https://www.gallup-international.com/survey-results-and-news/survey-result/fewer-people-are-willing-to-fight-for-their-country-compared-to-ten-years-ago https://www.gallup-international.com/survey-results-and-news...
- mrtksn 2y ago
  Irrelevant. This measures trust towards USA to send their people who are willing to fight implied by them joining the military, not willingness to fight amongst the general public.
CommanderData 2y ago
Brits wouldn't even die for Britain according to polls, even if it was for Ukraine.
JPKab 2y ago
American here: We don't care. Approximately 0% of the American public believes the UK would help us if we were invaded, because we have eyes and have seen how absolutely degraded the European militaries have become, outside of a few outliers like Poland and Turkey. I worked in the Pentagon for 10 years, and went over to the UK about twice a year for work at RAF Mildenhall, which, of course, is primarily filled with USAF planes and airmen. European nations stopped caring about defending themselves, and turned NATO into a charity of which they are the recipients. More recently (2016-2021), I would travel to London on a regular basis to work with a team based out of an office in Shoreditch. The sentiment of the average Londoner to the US military was fairly negative, typically accompanied by a face that looked like they had just smelled a fart. My son is 18. I don't want him being drafted into any war on behalf of a demoralized population that doesn't want to fight for their own country. It's morally reprehensible to expect us to subsidize a society that has imprisons citizens for social media posts and fines our tech companies every chance they can get.
- msy 2y ago
  Brits and Europeans died for America's last two wars, on a percentage basis more Dutch and Canadian troops died than Americans. Nearly 500 British troops died for your war. Next time America asks for assistance, whether it's troops or firefighters I hope the attitude is reflected back and it comes with a costs+ invoice due up front.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    Our next war is going to be in the Indo-Pacific, and the Diego Garcia is already a de facto American run base, and now going to be part of Marutius due to French and Indian lobbying [0], and because the UK deal was set to expire in 2036. I'd trust the French more than the Brits in an Indo-Pac conflict, because they have actual stakes due to French Polynesia and Mayotte. And if we're honest, it doesn't make sense for the UK to fight a Pacific war anyhow. The UK has constantly stepped up to help Ukraine and remains a very strong buttress against Russia. It's best if the UK remains a lynchpin for European security. [0] - https://www.iris-france.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/ObsIndoPac_2025_01_12_Sarabjeet_Note.pdf https://www.iris-france.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/ObsIn...

by mrtksn 2y ago

kelseydh 2y ago

I'm curious if there is any polling data on British willingness to help Canada should they face invasion from the U.S. Canada being a commonwealth country with their King as their head of state.

movingontonext 2y ago
King as head of state, as of 2022.
- xgkickt 2y ago
  Since there are already Kings of both Canada and Denmark, if Trump wants to be a King too, let them settle it the old way.
- sylware 2y ago
  Training data too old............
School-Cotton 2y ago
The US already invaded a commonwealth country with the British Queen as head of state: Grenada in 1983.

aeim 2y ago

well, after all we've been through together, i expect the french might find the opportunity for us to "owe them one, publicly" quite irresistible... (which is significant because, "after all they went through the last few times", their "find out" policy is a little punchier than most) and i don't think that anyone really wants that course of events...

gottorf 2y ago

Heck, less than half of Western Europeans would fight to defend their own country[0]. In the UK, only a third of people surveyed would do so. That's less than those who believe that the US would come to their aid! I don't think the blame is on America here. [0]: https://www.gallup-international.com/survey-results-and-news/survey-result/fewer-people-are-willing-to-fight-for-their-country-compared-to-ten-years-ago https://www.gallup-international.com/survey-results-and-news...

mrtksn 2y ago
Irrelevant. This measures trust towards USA to send their people who are willing to fight implied by them joining the military, not willingness to fight amongst the general public.

CommanderData 2y ago

Brits wouldn't even die for Britain according to polls, even if it was for Ukraine.

JPKab 2y ago

American here: We don't care. Approximately 0% of the American public believes the UK would help us if we were invaded, because we have eyes and have seen how absolutely degraded the European militaries have become, outside of a few outliers like Poland and Turkey. I worked in the Pentagon for 10 years, and went over to the UK about twice a year for work at RAF Mildenhall, which, of course, is primarily filled with USAF planes and airmen. European nations stopped caring about defending themselves, and turned NATO into a charity of which they are the recipients. More recently (2016-2021), I would travel to London on a regular basis to work with a team based out of an office in Shoreditch. The sentiment of the average Londoner to the US military was fairly negative, typically accompanied by a face that looked like they had just smelled a fart. My son is 18. I don't want him being drafted into any war on behalf of a demoralized population that doesn't want to fight for their own country. It's morally reprehensible to expect us to subsidize a society that has imprisons citizens for social media posts and fines our tech companies every chance they can get.

msy 2y ago
Brits and Europeans died for America's last two wars, on a percentage basis more Dutch and Canadian troops died than Americans. Nearly 500 British troops died for your war. Next time America asks for assistance, whether it's troops or firefighters I hope the attitude is reflected back and it comes with a costs+ invoice due up front.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  Our next war is going to be in the Indo-Pacific, and the Diego Garcia is already a de facto American run base, and now going to be part of Marutius due to French and Indian lobbying [0], and because the UK deal was set to expire in 2036. I'd trust the French more than the Brits in an Indo-Pac conflict, because they have actual stakes due to French Polynesia and Mayotte. And if we're honest, it doesn't make sense for the UK to fight a Pacific war anyhow. The UK has constantly stepped up to help Ukraine and remains a very strong buttress against Russia. It's best if the UK remains a lynchpin for European security. [0] - https://www.iris-france.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/ObsIndoPac_2025_01_12_Sarabjeet_Note.pdf https://www.iris-france.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/ObsIn...