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If I were American, I’d be sick with shame. As a European, I’m disgusted—not just by your leadership, but by your silence. Your country is spiraling into disgr

by lun4r 2y ago

If I were American, I’d be sick with shame. As a European, I’m disgusted—not just by your leadership, but by your silence. Your country is spiraling into disgrace, yet you sit there, watching, complaining online, doing nothing. Where is your outrage? Where are the millions in the streets forcing change? By staying silent, you are complicit. Just like the Russians who let Putin tighten his grip for decades, you are letting a clown dismantle your democracy in real time. History won’t just judge you—it will condemn you. Stand up, or accept your place among the cowards who let their nations rot.

duxup 2y ago
>but by your silence What qualifies as not that? I've said my peace, my ability to deploy millions is limited.
senordevnyc 2y ago
As an American, I share your disgust. The reality here is that a plurality of American voters chose Trump, and they still approve of the job he's doing (though that's dropping fast): https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/?ex_cid=abcpromo https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-t... I know this is exactly what Trump wants, but I don't know that I have the energy to continue to try and convince my fellow Americans that their demigod will destroy this country. They voted for this, they got it, now let's see how far they're willing to let this country fall before they change their tune.
- jcgrillo 2y ago
  We don't have a good sense as a nation of the consequences of our actions. People don't believe things can get very bad here in the US. Zelensky said it himself, we feel safe because we have a big ocean separating us from the war. I'm afraid we won't learn without getting our ass kicked.
  - geodel 2y ago
    > I'm afraid we won't learn without getting our ass kicked. Thats like truism. I don't see any country is learning before that.
- _t9ow 2y ago
  > They voted for this, they got it "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
legitster 2y ago
> Where are the millions in the streets forcing change? Rioting in the US is viewed extremely unfavorably in the US. The country is so geographically dispersed that it's hard to significantly interrupt commerce. Also, because of the large rural/urban political divide in the US, the places these protests take place would largely be attacking their own voter bases. There is lots of political mobilization in the US. Marches, protests, and most importantly there is a lot of citizen funded legal challenges. But at the end of the day, democracy does not have a lot of natural protections if the people of the country democratically choose to end democracy.
- heresie-dabord 2y ago
  > Rioting in the US is viewed extremely unfavorably in the US Unless storming the Capitol to disrupt a democratic election.
  - krapp 2y ago
    As with so many things in the US, civil disobedience is only considered a problem when "the left" does it. See the police response to BLM vs the January 6th rioters.
  - legitster 2y ago
    It was viewed overwhelming negatively by most of the country, and was a big part of the following campaigning that resulted in a lot of Republicans losing seats in the house.
trosi 2y ago
Well, I'm also European and I am disgusted by our leaders as well. What have they been doing? Why are our soldiers not defending Ukraine already? Why do you assume that we are any better?
- johnny22 2y ago
  that's pretty simple.. nobody wants to provoke them into using their nukes. It's also still likely a hard sell to the populations of various countries.
aaomidi 2y ago
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jellicle 2y ago
The problem is both US political parties would strongly oppose any attempt to "get people in the streets", making it very challenging for any such protesters.
selectodude 2y ago
This summer is going to be spicy. Just you wait.
temporallobe 2y ago
I get what you’re saying, but Europe has its disgraces as well and I don’t see anyone rioting in the streets en masse. Don’t get me started on the UK, where core rights like freedom of speech/expression are a joke, yet I don’t see anyone rioting. I mean, maybe they ARE rioting, but any news about it being censored.
- lun4r 2y ago
  Should've seen Athens today.
- kvakva 2y ago
  There are protests in Germany against AFD, Slovakia against the pro-Russia prime minister.
- _t9ow 2y ago
  > Europe has its disgraces as well The "whataboutism" game doesn't work here, because none of the pro-Ukraine Western countries is currently even remotely as chaotic, clownish, cruel, capricious, and conspicuously corrupt as the Trump administration and their broligarchs. And other comments have already pointed out that Europeans are protesting.
jimbob45 2y ago
As a European, I’m disgusted—not just by your leadership, but by your silence. I'm quite pleased with everything that's going on. The lesson from Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan (Soviets), Afghanistan (US), and Iraq is that there is never going to be a good time to leave but you need to leave as soon as possible before things get worse. There's the counterargument that Hitler could have been stopped early during/after Czechoslovakia but you can't waltz into every conflict just because it might turn into WW2 later.
- kvakva 2y ago
  This is not about not going into the conflict. Trump is seemingly siding with Russia while undermining allies and calling Zelinsky dictator.
- convolvatron 2y ago
  the US was just enjoying its favorite hobby of funneling US and EU tax monies into arms production. idk what Putin promised that was more satisfying than that, but no one was being sent across the Atlantic to fight. you'd think the US would be happy enough watching Russia waste lives and money just like the they did in the Middle East.
0_____0 2y ago
We have too much to lose to do anything. It's not until we've lost a great deal of our freedom, our wealth, the basic guarantee of order in our land, that the formerly comfortable will finally act up.
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duxup 2y ago

>but by your silence What qualifies as not that? I've said my peace, my ability to deploy millions is limited.

senordevnyc 2y ago

As an American, I share your disgust. The reality here is that a plurality of American voters chose Trump, and they still approve of the job he's doing (though that's dropping fast): https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/?ex_cid=abcpromo https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-t... I know this is exactly what Trump wants, but I don't know that I have the energy to continue to try and convince my fellow Americans that their demigod will destroy this country. They voted for this, they got it, now let's see how far they're willing to let this country fall before they change their tune.

jcgrillo 2y ago
We don't have a good sense as a nation of the consequences of our actions. People don't believe things can get very bad here in the US. Zelensky said it himself, we feel safe because we have a big ocean separating us from the war. I'm afraid we won't learn without getting our ass kicked.
- geodel 2y ago
  > I'm afraid we won't learn without getting our ass kicked. Thats like truism. I don't see any country is learning before that.
_t9ow 2y ago
> They voted for this, they got it "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken

legitster 2y ago

> Where are the millions in the streets forcing change? Rioting in the US is viewed extremely unfavorably in the US. The country is so geographically dispersed that it's hard to significantly interrupt commerce. Also, because of the large rural/urban political divide in the US, the places these protests take place would largely be attacking their own voter bases. There is lots of political mobilization in the US. Marches, protests, and most importantly there is a lot of citizen funded legal challenges. But at the end of the day, democracy does not have a lot of natural protections if the people of the country democratically choose to end democracy.

heresie-dabord 2y ago
> Rioting in the US is viewed extremely unfavorably in the US Unless storming the Capitol to disrupt a democratic election.
- krapp 2y ago
  As with so many things in the US, civil disobedience is only considered a problem when "the left" does it. See the police response to BLM vs the January 6th rioters.
- legitster 2y ago
  It was viewed overwhelming negatively by most of the country, and was a big part of the following campaigning that resulted in a lot of Republicans losing seats in the house.

trosi 2y ago

Well, I'm also European and I am disgusted by our leaders as well. What have they been doing? Why are our soldiers not defending Ukraine already? Why do you assume that we are any better?

johnny22 2y ago
that's pretty simple.. nobody wants to provoke them into using their nukes. It's also still likely a hard sell to the populations of various countries.

aaomidi 2y ago

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jellicle 2y ago

The problem is both US political parties would strongly oppose any attempt to "get people in the streets", making it very challenging for any such protesters.

selectodude 2y ago

This summer is going to be spicy. Just you wait.

temporallobe 2y ago

I get what you’re saying, but Europe has its disgraces as well and I don’t see anyone rioting in the streets en masse. Don’t get me started on the UK, where core rights like freedom of speech/expression are a joke, yet I don’t see anyone rioting. I mean, maybe they ARE rioting, but any news about it being censored.

lun4r 2y ago
Should've seen Athens today.
kvakva 2y ago
There are protests in Germany against AFD, Slovakia against the pro-Russia prime minister.
_t9ow 2y ago
> Europe has its disgraces as well The "whataboutism" game doesn't work here, because none of the pro-Ukraine Western countries is currently even remotely as chaotic, clownish, cruel, capricious, and conspicuously corrupt as the Trump administration and their broligarchs. And other comments have already pointed out that Europeans are protesting.

jimbob45 2y ago

As a European, I’m disgusted—not just by your leadership, but by your silence. I'm quite pleased with everything that's going on. The lesson from Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan (Soviets), Afghanistan (US), and Iraq is that there is never going to be a good time to leave but you need to leave as soon as possible before things get worse. There's the counterargument that Hitler could have been stopped early during/after Czechoslovakia but you can't waltz into every conflict just because it might turn into WW2 later.

kvakva 2y ago
This is not about not going into the conflict. Trump is seemingly siding with Russia while undermining allies and calling Zelinsky dictator.
convolvatron 2y ago
the US was just enjoying its favorite hobby of funneling US and EU tax monies into arms production. idk what Putin promised that was more satisfying than that, but no one was being sent across the Atlantic to fight. you'd think the US would be happy enough watching Russia waste lives and money just like the they did in the Middle East.

0_____0 2y ago

We have too much to lose to do anything. It's not until we've lost a great deal of our freedom, our wealth, the basic guarantee of order in our land, that the formerly comfortable will finally act up.

ToDougie 2y ago

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