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If you watch the video of the exchange, it was a complete setup. Zelensky was being very diplomatic when they started attacking him. Vance literally said he did

If you watch the video of the exchange, it was a complete setup. Zelensky was being very diplomatic when they started attacking him. Vance literally said he didn't need to visit Ukraine to see for himself because he "had seen videos". Zelensky was brought here specifically to be publicly humiliated on live TV. In 80 years, if we still have history books, this moment will be in them.

minimaxir 2y ago
The theory is that the only reason Vance was present was to be able to double-team Zelenskyy.
- duxup 2y ago
  That seems plausible as Trump in his speeches loses his train of thought now and then. Would not play well if he was alone in that situation.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  I think the VP is usually present at these types of meetings; but indeed there was double-teaming.
  - philk10 2y ago
    and Rubio was there to..... sit and do nothing in an ill fitting suit
    - donmcronald 2y ago
      What can he really do in that situation? He can defend Zelensky or join in for a triple teaming. There aren't good options.
      - guerrilla 2y ago
        I think defending Zelensky would have been the honorable thing to do. It could have inspired other Republicans to start turning.
        bilbo0s 2y ago
        Rubio? Honorable?
- randcraw 2y ago
  That, and Trump is incoherent. He has been for a couple of years now, unable to put even two sentences together that make any sense. He speaks entirely in applause one-liners. I think his dementia is significant now. If he were left alone with any world leader they'd realize almost immediately he's incompetent. This is especially evident when you compare interviews today with those he gave 30 years ago. He was bright then. He's nothing like that today. That's also why he now refuses to be interviewed by unfriendlies.
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    Him on Oprah then is night and day compared to now.
burntalmonds 2y ago
The only humiliation that I saw was that of the United States by Trump's conduct. I was amazed at how calm Zelensky remained during that meeting.
moogly 2y ago
The Propaganda Minister is also decrying Zelenskyy on Twitter, on cue. Probably had the tweet written hours ago.
- moogly 2y ago
  It's up to the reader to decide if I was referring to Musk or Medvedev here, or perhaps both.

minimaxir 2y ago

The theory is that the only reason Vance was present was to be able to double-team Zelenskyy.

duxup 2y ago
That seems plausible as Trump in his speeches loses his train of thought now and then. Would not play well if he was alone in that situation.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
I think the VP is usually present at these types of meetings; but indeed there was double-teaming.
- philk10 2y ago
  and Rubio was there to..... sit and do nothing in an ill fitting suit
  - donmcronald 2y ago
    What can he really do in that situation? He can defend Zelensky or join in for a triple teaming. There aren't good options.
    - guerrilla 2y ago
      I think defending Zelensky would have been the honorable thing to do. It could have inspired other Republicans to start turning.
      - bilbo0s 2y ago
        Rubio? Honorable?
randcraw 2y ago
That, and Trump is incoherent. He has been for a couple of years now, unable to put even two sentences together that make any sense. He speaks entirely in applause one-liners. I think his dementia is significant now. If he were left alone with any world leader they'd realize almost immediately he's incompetent. This is especially evident when you compare interviews today with those he gave 30 years ago. He was bright then. He's nothing like that today. That's also why he now refuses to be interviewed by unfriendlies.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  Him on Oprah then is night and day compared to now.

burntalmonds 2y ago

The only humiliation that I saw was that of the United States by Trump's conduct. I was amazed at how calm Zelensky remained during that meeting.

moogly 2y ago

The Propaganda Minister is also decrying Zelenskyy on Twitter, on cue. Probably had the tweet written hours ago.

moogly 2y ago
It's up to the reader to decide if I was referring to Musk or Medvedev here, or perhaps both.