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I think you may want to re-read parent. They are saying that the reason you gave ( all of which were provided before ) barely restrained human kind from doing w

I think you may want to re-read parent. They are saying that the reason you gave ( all of which were provided before ) barely restrained human kind from doing what it /was/is/will be doing.

westurner 2y ago
If compassion and war reparations are insufficient to deter unjust violence, what will change the reinforced behaviors?
- harimau777 2y ago
  Ironically, the ability to reciprocate with violence is the only thing that has reliably deterred violence.
  - coding123 2y ago
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  - pc86 2y ago
    This seems like the flip-side of the argument that eschewing violence makes you honorable only if you're actually capable of committing violence in the first place. Eschewing violence because you're incapable of committing it just means you're weak. If Country A knows Country B can't defend itself, it's natural to assume at some point A may attack B. If the countries are relatively equally armed and skilled in the use of those arms, it would take a lot more for one country to attack the other.
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  You have to reach the children and rehabilitate them. This is the type of damage the children are growing up with (HBO documentary from 2004 which I highly recommend people watch, the journalist got fatally shot filming it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5TRnidnk#t=30m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5TRnidnk#t=30m30s Counting on your fingers the dead. This has to be a rehabilitation effort, because it's just no way for children to talk and be.
  - westurner 2y ago
    Family therapy > Summary of theories and techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_therapy#Summary_of_theories_and_techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_therapy#Summary_of_theo... Expressive therapies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_therapies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_therapies Systemic therapy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_therapy : > Based largely on the work of anthropologists Gregory Bateson and Margaret Mead, this resulted in a shift towards what is known as "second-order cybernetics" which acknowledges the influence of the subjective observer in any study, essentially applying the principles of cybernetics to cybernetics – examining the examination. "What are the treatment goals?" Clean Language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language ... In "Jack Ryan" (TV Series) Season 1 Episode 1, the children suffer from war trauma in their upbringing and that pervades their lives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(TV_series)#Season_1_(2018) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(TV_series)#Season_1... In "Life is Beautiful" (1997) Italian children are trapped in war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful Magneto from X-Men (with the helmet) > Fictional character biography > Early life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)#Early_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)#Early_... "Chronicles of Narnia" (1939-1949) > Background and conception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Background_and_conception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Backg...
- jahewson 2y ago
  War reparations gave us the Nazis, so they clearly don’t work. And compassion has given us everything we have seen thus far in history so we can conclude that too is ineffective.
  - westurner 2y ago
    Reparations certainly deterred further violent fascist statism in post WWII Germany. Unfortunately the Berlin Wall. WWI reparations were initially assessed by the Treaty of Versailles (1919) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations Dulles, Dawes Plan > Results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan > Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Prize, WWI reparations obligations were reduced Then the US was lending them money and steel because it was so bad there, and then we learned they had been building tanks and bombs with our money instead of railroads and peaceful jobs. Business collaboration with Nazi Germany > British, Swiss, US, Argentinian and Canadian banks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_collaboration_with_Na... And then the free money rug was pulled out from under them, and then the ethnic group wouldn't sell their paintings to help pay the debts of the war and subsequent central economic mismanagement. And then they invaded various continents, overextended themselves when they weren't successfully managing their own country's economy, and the Allied powers eventually found the art (and gold) and dropped the bomb developed by various ethnic groups in the desert and that was that. Except for then WWII reparations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations The US still occupies or inhabits Germany, which is Russia's neighbor. Trump was $400 million in debt to Deutsche Bank AG (of Germany and Russia now) and had to underwrite said loan himself due to prior defaults. Nobody but Deutsche Bank would loan Trump (Trump Vodka, University,) money prior to 2016. Also Russian state banks like VEB, they forgot to mention. Business projects of Donald Trump in Russia > Timeline of Trump business activities related to Russia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia#Timeline_of_Trump_business_activities_related_to_Russia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_... It looks like - despite attempted bribes of foreign heads of state with free apartment - there will not be a Trump Tower Moscow. "Biden halts Trump-ordered US troops cuts in Germany" (2021) https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-military-facilities-europe-lloyd-austin-ff57f288a1bb3e5a38e3253ea0b94d80 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-military-f...

I think you may want to re-read parent. They are saying that the reason you gave ( all of which were provided before ) barely restrained human kind from doing what it /was/is/will be doing.

westurner 2y ago

If compassion and war reparations are insufficient to deter unjust violence, what will change the reinforced behaviors?

harimau777 2y ago
Ironically, the ability to reciprocate with violence is the only thing that has reliably deterred violence.
- coding123 2y ago
  [dead]
- pc86 2y ago
  This seems like the flip-side of the argument that eschewing violence makes you honorable only if you're actually capable of committing violence in the first place. Eschewing violence because you're incapable of committing it just means you're weak. If Country A knows Country B can't defend itself, it's natural to assume at some point A may attack B. If the countries are relatively equally armed and skilled in the use of those arms, it would take a lot more for one country to attack the other.
bloomingkales 2y ago
You have to reach the children and rehabilitate them. This is the type of damage the children are growing up with (HBO documentary from 2004 which I highly recommend people watch, the journalist got fatally shot filming it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5TRnidnk#t=30m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5TRnidnk#t=30m30s Counting on your fingers the dead. This has to be a rehabilitation effort, because it's just no way for children to talk and be.
- westurner 2y ago
  Family therapy > Summary of theories and techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_therapy#Summary_of_theories_and_techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_therapy#Summary_of_theo... Expressive therapies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_therapies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_therapies Systemic therapy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_therapy : > Based largely on the work of anthropologists Gregory Bateson and Margaret Mead, this resulted in a shift towards what is known as "second-order cybernetics" which acknowledges the influence of the subjective observer in any study, essentially applying the principles of cybernetics to cybernetics – examining the examination. "What are the treatment goals?" Clean Language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language ... In "Jack Ryan" (TV Series) Season 1 Episode 1, the children suffer from war trauma in their upbringing and that pervades their lives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(TV_series)#Season_1_(2018) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(TV_series)#Season_1... In "Life is Beautiful" (1997) Italian children are trapped in war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful Magneto from X-Men (with the helmet) > Fictional character biography > Early life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)#Early_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)#Early_... "Chronicles of Narnia" (1939-1949) > Background and conception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Background_and_conception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Backg...
jahewson 2y ago
War reparations gave us the Nazis, so they clearly don’t work. And compassion has given us everything we have seen thus far in history so we can conclude that too is ineffective.
- westurner 2y ago
  Reparations certainly deterred further violent fascist statism in post WWII Germany. Unfortunately the Berlin Wall. WWI reparations were initially assessed by the Treaty of Versailles (1919) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations Dulles, Dawes Plan > Results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan > Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Prize, WWI reparations obligations were reduced Then the US was lending them money and steel because it was so bad there, and then we learned they had been building tanks and bombs with our money instead of railroads and peaceful jobs. Business collaboration with Nazi Germany > British, Swiss, US, Argentinian and Canadian banks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_collaboration_with_Na... And then the free money rug was pulled out from under them, and then the ethnic group wouldn't sell their paintings to help pay the debts of the war and subsequent central economic mismanagement. And then they invaded various continents, overextended themselves when they weren't successfully managing their own country's economy, and the Allied powers eventually found the art (and gold) and dropped the bomb developed by various ethnic groups in the desert and that was that. Except for then WWII reparations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations The US still occupies or inhabits Germany, which is Russia's neighbor. Trump was $400 million in debt to Deutsche Bank AG (of Germany and Russia now) and had to underwrite said loan himself due to prior defaults. Nobody but Deutsche Bank would loan Trump (Trump Vodka, University,) money prior to 2016. Also Russian state banks like VEB, they forgot to mention. Business projects of Donald Trump in Russia > Timeline of Trump business activities related to Russia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia#Timeline_of_Trump_business_activities_related_to_Russia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_... It looks like - despite attempted bribes of foreign heads of state with free apartment - there will not be a Trump Tower Moscow. "Biden halts Trump-ordered US troops cuts in Germany" (2021) https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-military-facilities-europe-lloyd-austin-ff57f288a1bb3e5a38e3253ea0b94d80 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-military-f...