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Because later generations shouldn't be forced pay the cost for such violence that they didn't perpetrate or perpetuate. To make it real when there's no compass

Because later generations shouldn't be forced pay the cost for such violence that they didn't perpetrate or perpetuate. To make it real when there's no compassion, loving kindness, or the golden rule: War reparations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations

tsunamifury 2y ago
You could argue that’s the trauma expressing itself through derivative real experiences into the future.
- westurner 2y ago
  It is the purpose of criminal and civil procedure to force parties that caused loss, violence, death and trauma to pay for their offenses. We have a court system that is supposed to abide Due Process so that there are costs to inflicting trauma (without perpetuating a vicious cycle).
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A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
I think you may want to re-read parent. They are saying that the reason you gave ( all of which were provided before ) barely restrained human kind from doing what it /was/is/will be doing.
- westurner 2y ago
  If compassion and war reparations are insufficient to deter unjust violence, what will change the reinforced behaviors?
  - harimau777 2y ago
    Ironically, the ability to reciprocate with violence is the only thing that has reliably deterred violence.
    - coding123 2y ago
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    - pc86 2y ago
      This seems like the flip-side of the argument that eschewing violence makes you honorable only if you're actually capable of committing violence in the first place. Eschewing violence because you're incapable of committing it just means you're weak. If Country A knows Country B can't defend itself, it's natural to assume at some point A may attack B. If the countries are relatively equally armed and skilled in the use of those arms, it would take a lot more for one country to attack the other.
  - bloomingkales 2y ago
    You have to reach the children and rehabilitate them. This is the type of damage the children are growing up with (HBO documentary from 2004 which I highly recommend people watch, the journalist got fatally shot filming it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5TRnidnk#t=30m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5TRnidnk#t=30m30s Counting on your fingers the dead. This has to be a rehabilitation effort, because it's just no way for children to talk and be.
    - westurner 2y ago
      Family therapy > Summary of theories and techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_therapy#Summary_of_theories_and_techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_therapy#Summary_of_theo... Expressive therapies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_therapies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_therapies Systemic therapy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_therapy : > Based largely on the work of anthropologists Gregory Bateson and Margaret Mead, this resulted in a shift towards what is known as "second-order cybernetics" which acknowledges the influence of the subjective observer in any study, essentially applying the principles of cybernetics to cybernetics – examining the examination. "What are the treatment goals?" Clean Language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language ... In "Jack Ryan" (TV Series) Season 1 Episode 1, the children suffer from war trauma in their upbringing and that pervades their lives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(TV_series)#Season_1_(2018) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(TV_series)#Season_1... In "Life is Beautiful" (1997) Italian children are trapped in war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful Magneto from X-Men (with the helmet) > Fictional character biography > Early life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)#Early_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)#Early_... "Chronicles of Narnia" (1939-1949) > Background and conception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Background_and_conception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Backg...
NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
Not sure that the guy who thinks "future generations shouldn't pay the cost for something they didn't do" is thinking his position when his very next thought is "we'll make the great-grandchildren of the warmongers pay cash to the great-grandchildren of the victorious warmongers".

tsunamifury 2y ago

You could argue that’s the trauma expressing itself through derivative real experiences into the future.

westurner 2y ago
It is the purpose of criminal and civil procedure to force parties that caused loss, violence, death and trauma to pay for their offenses. We have a court system that is supposed to abide Due Process so that there are costs to inflicting trauma (without perpetuating a vicious cycle).
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A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago

I think you may want to re-read parent. They are saying that the reason you gave ( all of which were provided before ) barely restrained human kind from doing what it /was/is/will be doing.

westurner 2y ago
If compassion and war reparations are insufficient to deter unjust violence, what will change the reinforced behaviors?
- harimau777 2y ago
  Ironically, the ability to reciprocate with violence is the only thing that has reliably deterred violence.
  - coding123 2y ago
    [dead]
  - pc86 2y ago
    This seems like the flip-side of the argument that eschewing violence makes you honorable only if you're actually capable of committing violence in the first place. Eschewing violence because you're incapable of committing it just means you're weak. If Country A knows Country B can't defend itself, it's natural to assume at some point A may attack B. If the countries are relatively equally armed and skilled in the use of those arms, it would take a lot more for one country to attack the other.
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  You have to reach the children and rehabilitate them. This is the type of damage the children are growing up with (HBO documentary from 2004 which I highly recommend people watch, the journalist got fatally shot filming it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5TRnidnk#t=30m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5TRnidnk#t=30m30s Counting on your fingers the dead. This has to be a rehabilitation effort, because it's just no way for children to talk and be.
  - westurner 2y ago
    Family therapy > Summary of theories and techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_therapy#Summary_of_theories_and_techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_therapy#Summary_of_theo... Expressive therapies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_therapies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_therapies Systemic therapy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_therapy : > Based largely on the work of anthropologists Gregory Bateson and Margaret Mead, this resulted in a shift towards what is known as "second-order cybernetics" which acknowledges the influence of the subjective observer in any study, essentially applying the principles of cybernetics to cybernetics – examining the examination. "What are the treatment goals?" Clean Language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language ... In "Jack Ryan" (TV Series) Season 1 Episode 1, the children suffer from war trauma in their upbringing and that pervades their lives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(TV_series)#Season_1_(2018) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(TV_series)#Season_1... In "Life is Beautiful" (1997) Italian children are trapped in war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful Magneto from X-Men (with the helmet) > Fictional character biography > Early life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)#Early_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)#Early_... "Chronicles of Narnia" (1939-1949) > Background and conception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Background_and_conception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Backg...

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago

Not sure that the guy who thinks "future generations shouldn't pay the cost for something they didn't do" is thinking his position when his very next thought is "we'll make the great-grandchildren of the warmongers pay cash to the great-grandchildren of the victorious warmongers".